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Quran vs. Bible-which is God's word. No one has posted

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thegodhand
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/25/2010 Category: Religion
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Dave34

Pro

I believe that the Bible is not God's word and the Qu'ran is. If you want to debate please respond, the other people that have accepted never responded.
thegodhand

Con

First of all, you left me with the burden of having nothing of your debate to work on. Thanks.

Anyway, here is my argument.

The Bible is God's word because-

First of all, the Bible came before the Qu'ran. Does it not seem like the Father in Heaven would want to get his word down to us as soon as possible?

Second, Biblical end times are more "in sync" with modern events (Israel being reunited and such.)

Third, Islam was invented by a shepherd/merchant, where as Christianity was invented by Emperor Constantine. I follow the one mentally stable enough to run a country.

The Godhand
Debate Round No. 1
Dave34

Pro

For one thing, my opponent shows little to no understanding of the religion of Islam, and second he makes the accusation that God would want to get his word down to us as soon as possible, and that he did. Third, he states that(I assume) that a shepherd/merchant is not stable enough to run a country on grounds of what?

Well, first of all, to readers, you and I can practically tell that the opposition is very uneducated on Islam as well as Christianity. With that in mind, let me address the first accusation. He states that since the Bible came before the Qu'ran, that makes it his word. The Bible has been altered, and modern day scholars can tell you that.

For example- here is a quote from Bart Ehrman- a New testament scholar-
"The Bible we now use can't be the inerrant word of God, he says, since what we have are the sometimes mistaken words copied by fallible scribes.
"When people ask me if the Bible is the word of God I answer 'which Bible?'"
The Codex - and other early manuscripts - omit some mentions of ascension of Jesus into heaven, and key references to the Resurrection, which the Archbishop of Canterbury has said is essential for Christian belief. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk...

Also with that in mind, don't you think that God would want to give the true word back to his people in the form of a pure and unaltered word. We, unlike the Christian Bible, have only one version of the Quran while the Bible has many versions and translations. The Quran, also unlike the Bible, is in its original language passed down for 1, 500 years. The Bible, like Mr. Ehrman said, has been copied and copied many times and translated into many different languages and has been altered. The most ancient Biblical text even omit Jesus' ascension into heaven while the Quran omits nothing from its first state. So again, don't you think that God would want to restore his word to mankind after it has been altered?

Let's skip down to the third, as this is the most interesting accusation. "Islam was invented by a Shepherd/merchant," says the opposition," and Christianity was invented by Constantine." Really? What about the gnostics and the Jewish Christians, who were the early Christians.

"The earliest followers of Jesus composed an apocalyptic, Second Temple Jewish sect, which historians refer to as Jewish Christianity."http://en.wikipedia.org...

However, it seems that the late Christians(underline late) were actually during Constantine's(Council of Nicaea) time.
"The First Council of Nicaea in 325 is commonly used to mark the end of early Christianity...""http://en.wikipedia.org...

Please note that Constantine converted from paganism or some other religion so this couldn't possibly mean that Constantine invented Christianity if there were already Christians living in Rome at the time and he was converted. "The Roman Emperor Constantine the Great converted to Christianity following his victory at the Battle of Milvian Bridge in 312."http://en.wikipedia.org...

I have a question for the Godhand, what about David? Do you think just because David was a simple shepherd who loved to tend to his flock of sheep and sing songs unto the Lord, was not sane enough to run a country. Because, obviously according to your Bible it says that David was handpicked BY GOD through Samuel to anoint David to become king. Obviously after Saul's death, David became one of the greatest kings who ever lived. He was obviously sane enough to run a country after Saul. And he reigned over a big country don't you think. So your argument there is week, because if David can do it, why can't Mohammed(PBUH)?

And you do know that Mohammed(PBUH) conquered Mecca with a force of more than ten thousand men and with minimal casualites, took control of it. Think now, Mohammed had conflicts with the Meccans because he threatened to get rid of the religion of their fathers and the meccans had a pretty large army. http://en.wikipedia.org...

People even submitted to Islam because of this man after the Battle of Tabuk because they were afraid of being attacked. http://en.wikipedia.org...
So, for a shepherd, this man sure did succeed in uniting and reigning over kingdoms. And Islam is also one of the fastest growing religions, so keep that in mind. Also realize, this man wasn't literate, he couldn't read or write his own name and look at the word he produced. Some people were converted to Islam because of the Quran's poetry, you can't say that's not a work from God.
thegodhand

Con

"However, it seems that the late Christians(underline late) were actually during Constantine's(Council of Nicaea) time.
"The First Council of Nicaea in 325 is commonly used to mark the end of early Christianity...""http://en.wikipedia.org......

Please note that Constantine converted from paganism or some other religion so this couldn't possibly mean that Constantine invented Christianity if there were already Christians living in Rome at the time and he was converted. "The Roman Emperor Constantine the Great converted to Christianity following his victory at the Battle of Milvian Bridge in 312."http://en.wikipedia.org...;

He invented MODERN Christianity. The religion taken by more than 2 times as many Islams. Does it not seem the good Lord would want his word out to the most people?

"I have a question for the Godhand, what about David? Do you think just because David was a simple shepherd who loved to tend to his flock of sheep and sing songs unto the Lord, was not sane enough to run a country. Because, obviously according to your Bible it says that David was handpicked BY GOD through Samuel to anoint David to become king. Obviously after Saul's death, David became one of the greatest kings who ever lived. He was obviously sane enough to run a country after Saul. And he reigned over a big country don't you think. So your argument there is week, because if David can do it, why can't Mohammed(PBUH)?"

Mohammed never became emperor.

"And you do know that Mohammed(PBUH) conquered Mecca with a force of more than ten thousand men and with minimal casualites, took control of it. Think now, Mohammed had conflicts with the Meccans because he threatened to get rid of the religion of their fathers and the meccans had a pretty large army. http://en.wikipedia.org......

People even submitted to Islam because of this man after the Battle of Tabuk because they were afraid of being attacked. http://en.wikipedia.org......
So, for a shepherd, this man sure did succeed in uniting and reigning over kingdoms. And Islam is also one of the fastest growing religions, so keep that in mind. Also realize, this man wasn't literate, he couldn't read or write his own name and look at the word he produced. Some people were converted to Islam because of the Quran's poetry, you can't say that's not a work from God."

Would your merciful God kill men by the thousands when he could simply send a force of ten thousand missionaries to do the same? Your hateful and unloving God disgusts me. And still terrorists attack us in Allah's name.
Debate Round No. 2
Dave34

Pro

As was said before, my opponent is very uneducated about Islam and Christianity. We can see that, as he likes to post my arguments and comment on them with one to two non-explanatory sentences. He still hasn't formulated an argument, however, I will await that in the next round hopefully.

Please note that wear the Godhand says that Constantine invented modern Christianity, he failed to say that in the first round, thus leading me to the conclusion that he was very uneducated about early Christianity, and I still retain my position on that.

Second, he says Mohammed never became emperor. So what! Mohammed ruled a large nation as did King David and they were both small figures. A lame argument for saying that Mohammed was not sane enough to run a nation. Perhaps the opposition is not sane enough, I don't see him running a nation or ruling a large company, which I am sure he doesn't. So he has no ground to say Mohammed or King David for that matter were not sane enough or just because he wasn't an emperor couldn't run a nation.

Finally, he states that Allah killed men by the thousands and is hateful. Wow, what about in your Bible where it says that God killed three thousand men. Exodus 32:27-29 (King James Version)

27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

28And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

Also, Mohammed didn't send missionaries to kill. A year after the Battle of Tabuk, the Banu Thaqif sent emissaries to Medina to surrender to Muhammad and adopt Islam.http://en.wikipedia.org...

He also took Mecca with minimal casualties, and even Wikipedia says that. So how is it, that Mohammed, if he was a bloody man, would sign peace treaties with nations. He even allowed these people to practice their own religion.

So just like in the Bible, God had wars. And concerning the terrorist thing. Islam does not condone terrorism. Jihad extremists kill in the name of Allah because they believe it is their duty to protect Islam from the west. However, the Quran and Islam is against this. Allah is a merciful God, and is the same God as the God of Jesus, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob. And don't tell me that Christians don't kill because they claim their God told them to, it's in every religion.
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thegodhand

Con

thegodhand forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Dave34

Pro

I guess he chicked out.
thegodhand

Con

thegodhand forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
Dave34

Pro

Dave34 forfeited this round.
thegodhand

Con

thegodhand forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by bluesteel 6 years ago
bluesteel
I'll be nice since it's clear you want to debate someone who thinks the Bible is God's word and the Quran isn't. But someone could take this and argue neither is God's word or that both are.
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