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Chuz-Life
Pro (for)
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The Contender
paigeteevee
Con (against)
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0 Points

RESOLVED: The United States Congress has the Constitutional Authority to Define 'Marriage'

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Started: 9/23/2011 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Chuz-Life

Pro

Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution [1] reads;
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States...

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"To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization..."

[1] http://www.usconstitution.net...

I will be arguing as "Pro" as I contend that Article 1, Section 8 is written broadly enough to give Congress the authority to "define" marriage not only for the 'General Welfare' needs of the nation where 'Naturalization' rules are concerned but for other 'General Welfare' needs as well.

My opponent will be expected to argue that the Congress does NOT have the power or authority to 'define marriage.'
paigeteevee

Con

are you kidding if they can "define marriage" that is the same thing as arranaged marriage we have first adment rights but just because "get to pick your own husband is not in there dosent mean it is not a rule that is basic
Debate Round No. 1
Chuz-Life

Pro

Thanks to my opponent for accepting this challenge.

Con posted; "are you kidding if they (congress) can "define marriage" that is the same thing as arranaged marriage we have first adment rights but just because "get to pick your own husband" is not in there dosent mean it is not a rule that is basic"

I understand Cons reaction to the idea that Congress has the authority to 'define marriage.' I also understand my opponents concern that there could be a slippery slope aspect to a Congress having too much authority. However, the rights of the people are protected by the same Constitution that grants Congress this authority.

The people have the right to get 'married' and the Congress (under Article 1, Section 8) has the right define what it will and will not recognize as a 'legal marriage.'

Does my opponent still disagree that Congress has this authority?
paigeteevee

Con

paigeteevee forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Chuz-Life

Pro

Some have raised the issue in the comments section that Congress may indeed have the power under Article 1, Section 8 to define 'marriage' for the purpose of making rules for naturalization. My opponent has apparently forfeited the debate and I would like to use this round to respond to some of the other comments.

The last lines of Article 1, Section 8 say:

"Section 8.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

[snipped for brevity]

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

[snipped for brevity]

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof."



http://www.law.cornell.edu...

I submit that the Constitution itself calls for uniformity in the laws that Congress makes. That the definition that Congress decides is best for the 'General Welfare' needs of the nation where the rules for naturalization are concerned should be the same (uniformly) in all other areas of law.

Note that I have not said that the Congress could not decide that same sex marriages are inline with the 'General Welfare' needs of the nation. That is a completely different debate.

This debate is about whether or not the United states Congress has the Constitutional authority to determine for itself what the definition will be.

If you agree with me that the United States Constitution grants the U.S. Congress that authority, please vote PRO.
paigeteevee

Con

paigeteevee forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Chuz-Life 5 years ago
Chuz-Life
I just don't see the need to debate it further, Kohai... but depending on how you present it, I might take you up on it.
Posted by kohai 5 years ago
kohai
What do you mean?
Posted by Chuz-Life 5 years ago
Chuz-Life
Do I have too? What is there left to debate?
Posted by kohai 5 years ago
kohai
Chuz-life, please challenge me to this debate in about 1 week.
Posted by Lordknukle 5 years ago
Lordknukle
con was a moron
Posted by Chuz-Life 5 years ago
Chuz-Life
Oh come on... No votes? Y'all are killing me.
Posted by Chuz-Life 5 years ago
Chuz-Life
It's starting to look like my opponent is going to leave me hanging on this one. So, Kohai or ??? feel free to start anew if you are interested in debating this topic.
Posted by Chuz-Life 5 years ago
Chuz-Life
Dustinbruce... Do you agree that our government should be consistent with the laws it makes?

Do you not agree that the definitions of marriage used for the purposes of 'naturalization' should be the same as the definition it uses for other laws and benefits?

Kohai, this issue doesn't seem to warrant more than one exchange for me.

However, when this one is over.... maybe. We will debate it again, then.
Posted by 000ike 5 years ago
000ike
Kohai that was a shamefully rude statement. CON has not even begun to argue.
Posted by kohai 5 years ago
kohai
Sorry, PRO for your wasted time. Want to debate me on this?
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