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socialpinko
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DetectableNinja
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Rab Battle 1B: Murray Rothbard vs. Ayn Rand

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/18/2011 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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socialpinko

Pro

Pro raps as Murray Rothbard, father of modern anarcho-capitalism, popularizer of Austro-libertarian economics, and formerly one of the most staunch critics of American foreign interventionism.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Con raps as Ayn Rand, founder of the philosophy of Objectivism, fierce proponent of laissez-faire capitalism, and one of the most popular novelists of the Twentieth century.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Clearly we have here the two main libertarian heavyweights of the twentieth century. They were both strong popularizers of libertarian ideals but only one can win. Battle begins in Round 2. Round 1 is for acceptance.
DetectableNinja

Con

I'll give it a go. Have at you!
Debate Round No. 1
socialpinko

Pro

With Ayn Rand and I, the similarities are numerous
But I still have to laugh 'cause Objectivism's humerous
She argues and argues against collectivist ethics
But believes the opposite when it comes to conflicts

Ms. Rand, please, I don't mean to disrespect
But I'm seriously beginning to question your intellect
You claim that no one should live for another
But I have to pay taxes for every dink and his brother

Capitalism, on the individual is the highest reflection
But I can't voluntarily exchange for protection?
Why is defense so different from food
Your understanding of free market forces is skewed

You're a collectivist, just wrapped up in disguise
But that collectivism will be your demise
My points and my objections you can't properly address
So just give up before I come back with Hess.

DetectableNinja

Con


Come now, Roth, let's not lie,


It's time to see what's different 'bout you and I.


You see, the problem is with you and me,


Is that I am a statist, and you love anarchy:


Y'know? That half-baked philosophy.



You'll go on and on 'bout all our rights,


But how do you know they'll be protected


When privatization leaves then not respected.


Come now Murray, it's plain to see,


That government is the only guarentee


To protect the rights of you and me.



I mean, hiring a judge, what are you thinking?


To ignore the unfairness means you must be drinking.


How can you ignore the blatant bias


Of the law in the hands of privatized eyes?


We can agree that free market is good


But truth be told, you want more than we should.



So how can I rap this whole thing up?



If you like your own rights,


Under the Objectivist law,


And don't want them to fail,


Then do not allow the law to go on sale.



Debate Round No. 2
socialpinko

Pro

Anarchism isn't half baked, it's the perfect society
At least we accept political pluralism and variety
Communists, mutualist, they can all come and stay
Anyone who disagrees with you is instantly turned away

How can rights be protected, good job at sidestepping the bottom line
The real question is why I should pay for your protection, remember what' mine is mine
No one has a right to my money but me, don't you see the contradiction
The ultra-fascist State as inevitable under your system is my prediction

Your philosophies just as hollow as the soul of the Devil himself
And as weird and fvcked up as a mad cow fvcking an elf
Do you think it would work, the combination you've conconted
Of collectivist ethics and the individual's will disconnected

I laid out many a defense of the validity and superiority of my philosophy
While you wallow in your collectiveness, deceptiveness, and sophistry
In the words of the immortal Tucker, defense is a good like any other
I'm gonna go and continue the fight for liberty, you have fun sucking the d1ck of Big Brother.
DetectableNinja

Con

I apologize, but I won't be able to finish this last round of the battle. I thank spinko for instigating such an interesting match up, though.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by socialpinko 2 years ago
socialpinko
I remembered that part afterwards. Sorry to soil her good name.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 2 years ago
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v Read his username, Pinko.

Also, why is Pro under the impression that Rand was in favor of taxation? Admittedly, she wasn't very detailed about user fees, but she did make the goal clear anyway.
Posted by socialpinko 2 years ago
socialpinko
They were both born Jewish but became atheists. And how is that relevant anyways?
Posted by Joseph_Mengele 2 years ago
Joseph_Mengele
I personally like both of the two people except that they were Jewish. Other than that they were preety important people for the libertarian movement.
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Vote Placed by Crevaux 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: I am an anarcho-capitalist but I still do have doubts. I think Con made arguable objections as to the selling of the legal system, which could lead to corruption. I would love to see a debate between the two not in a rap battle form, but rather with deeper, clearer arguments.
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Reasons for voting decision: MIG got it..
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Reasons for voting decision: One point of conduct to Detectable for not forfeiting and explaining the reason why he could not finish the debate. However, Murray clearly quenched Rand's half-baked lyrics with his smoother, more rounder techniques. It appears that Atlas' shrug could not save Rand this time...