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SamanthaBatsikas
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Yasmin.Mohammed
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Raising social services for people living in poverty

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Started: 5/11/2014 Category: Society
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SamanthaBatsikas

Pro

People living in poverty should be assisted more thoroughly by social services because when determining the poverty line there are many aspects that are not looked .

P1: such as the way the poverty line is calculated does not keep up to date with the cost of living in specific areas.

P2: the calculation process was also established in 1963 and has not changed since then, a lot has evolved since then and family necessities have broadened

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Yasmin.Mohammed

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People living in poverty should not be assisted by social services because when determining the poverty line there are many aspects that are not looked at.

P1: Poverty has declined steadily from an estimated 50 percent of the population in 1964 to 19 percent in 1992.
P2: For decades, the living conditions of the poor have steadily improved. Consumer items that were luxuries or significant purchases for the middle class a few decades ago have become commonplace in poor households.

For example, 80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. 92 percent of poor households have a microwave. Nearly three-fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more cars or trucks. Nearly two-thirds have cable or satellite TV. Half have a personal computer, and one in seven have two or more computers. More than half of poor families with children have a video game system, such as an Xbox or PlayStation. 43 percent have Internet access. One-third have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV. One-fourth have a digital video recorder system, such as a TiVo.

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Debate Round No. 1
SamanthaBatsikas

Pro

The truth of the matter is yes all you need to live is water food shelter and clothing, but to be success ful now you need a job and in order to do that you need to know what the norms to society are, and that is through media and communication where we learn what is new and how we should act based on what is happening now that way we don't fall behind and seen as "slow" and not capable of keeping up which is a good quality in life to have to be motivated to stay on track. Mass media has evolved to the point where we could miss out on life chances like maybe a job opportunity because we can't look on the internet how to create a resume and we can't know what a good resume is because each job choice requires different standards, so yes it should be included in the poverty line.
Yasmin.Mohammed

Con

Needing a job and looking up information to build a resume online are two things that majority of America can do at any given time. The media however, helps people obtain any information and present it in a way that others can use to build on or learn from. Needing a job is beneficial to every family. The internet and social networking can help those two together. However, poor people have access to these luxuries as I stated before. If they are struggling, it is not as bad as people make it seem.

"The broad array of modern conveniences in the homes of the poor is the result of decades of steady progress in the living standards of the poor. Year by year, the poor tend to be better off. Consumer items that were luxuries or significant purchases for the middle class a few decades ago have become commonplace in poor households"

"More than half of poor households had at least five of the following 10 conveniences: a computer, cable or satellite TV, air conditioning, Internet service, a large-screen TV, non-portable stereo, computer printer, separate freezer or second refrigerator, microwave, and at least one color TV. One-fourth of the poor had seven or more of these 10 items in their homes."

If these people are on the "poverty line" and can afford these items, it is evident that they are doing well for themselves and family. People need to take into account that these luxuries cost money and are expensive. If these people are poor and do not have a job, there is no way they can obtain such amenities.

People living in poverty should not be assisted by social services because when determining the poverty line there are many aspects that are not looked at.
Debate Round No. 2
SamanthaBatsikas

Pro

They need those things as much as they need food and water and shelter those are not luxuries they are requirements now to get to where they want to be, there maybe census on how many houses have those appliances but they did not measure whether those appliances were gift from families, or bought before they became into the financial crisis they are in now.
Just because they have things in there home that are convinently helpful or even entertaining does not mean they struggle with paying bills or finding child care or providing food. There are thorough investigations where they see how much money they have in their account or even how much rent is payed but even then what should the government do make them sell their things to be financially well? The people need to be helped with constant bills buying these things are once in a while but bills are every month.
Yasmin.Mohammed

Con

Whether these people struggle to make make the bills every month, or not but still pay the bill, then they are not considered poor. The luxuries they bought could be a gift or purchased, however it still takes money to use them. By working, these people can afford to pay for them.

96 percent of poor parents stated that their children were never hungry at any time during the year because they could not afford food.
83 percent of poor families reported having enough food to eat.
82 percent of poor adults reported never being hungry at any time in the prior year due to lack of money for food.
42 percent of poor households actually own their own homes.
The vast majority of the homes or apartments of the poor are in good repair.

http://www.heritage.org...

These appliances cost money and if the bill is being paid for its use, then it does not matter about the person receiving a check for a social service since they are taking care of their house and family. These people are not poor, and if they are, a person would not have these amenities to use for fun. These aspects are not looked at because people assume without research. The statistics prove that even though they are called poor, they are doing well for themselves and family. A poor person would not have these appliances, but these people do and are doing well. These aspects need to be looked at when determining the poverty line.
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