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socialpinko
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shift4101
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Rap Battle 1A: Mikhael Bakunin vs. Karl Marx

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Started: 10/14/2011 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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socialpinko

Pro

Finally, perhaps the biggest rivalry in the socialist movement, between Mikhael Bakunin and Karl Marx, will finally come to fruition. Who will win? Will it be Bakunin and his theory of collectivist anarchism or Marx, the father of revolutionary communism? Now we shall see.

Pro raps as Bakunin.
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Con raps as Marx.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Round 1 is for acceptance, battle begins in round 2. Good luck!
shift4101

Con

I think I can beat you, so I accept! Good luck!
Debate Round No. 1
socialpinko

Pro

Hello Bakunin speakin, bigger than B.I.G.
Challenger approaching, a beatdown I foresee
They say I'm the father of anarchy
Little known fact, I'm also the master of R.A.P.

On dictatorship, it can never be free
Proletariat or bourgeoisie, it's still authority
To be free from coercion, a free society
Must throw off the chains of forced hierarchy

Dictatoship can only lead to "self-perpetuation"
To the ideals of liberty, there's no relation
The end result is dehumanization
Such is the nature of any Nation

You know what fvck this man, now I'm fvcking pissed
To hell with philosophcal criticism, time for you to get dissed!
I'm gonna take your a$$ down, with one hit from my fist
Never knew where I came from, but hey you get the gist

I still got a grudge from back in seventy-two
You know the First Interational, it was just me and you
I know you have your own story but I do too
But for anyone new here let's have a little review

I pointed out how your ideology was authoritaran
How the enemy of the movement was right here within
But pointing out the truth, to you was a sin
So your buddies kicked me out, bet you thought you would win

But I'm back, and I'm coming for ya, the flag shall be black
One day you'll wake up on a table, lying on your back
I'm standing over ya with an ax planning my attack
When you least expect it I'm coming to hack!
shift4101

Con

Oh, Bukanin. You're still such an old fool.
You think you can challenge Marx to a duel?
Well I protest! I say this isn't really fair;
Cause you got the mind of a boy without any d1ck hair!

Evidently, my opponent doesn't know;
about human nature and the properties it shows.
Everyone is greedy, you dumba$$, so I simply suggest
That Mikhail should run if he knows whats in his best interest.

Anarchy is the dumbest sh1t I have ever heard;
Most of the civilized world thinks its absurd.
What are you thinking, supporting an absolute free state?
Thats like supporting laissez faire or feelings of hate.

Are you really for anarchy, or are you just another troll?
Cause government suppposed to provide for the people as a whole,
So go communism! We know who deserves to be on top;
We balance the powerful and weild the poverty mop!

Karl Marx is in the lead, and got fire in my eyes;
Toward you and all your other fvcking "collectivist" spies
So you better sit, and think, and learn to repent;
Or call this Second International, cause your a$$ goin' back on the pavement.
Debate Round No. 2
socialpinko

Pro

You think anarchy's dumb, how contradictory
In a state of classless anarchy, lies your perfect society
You said it yourself in the Gotha Critique
The State's only temporary, your memory's so weak

Morality depends on the conditions of existence
That's why I continue to lead this anarchic resistance
You got it wrong, greed and hate are definitely not innate
But these things would be magnified in a Communist State

The government doesn't help the people one bit
To the will of the bourgeoisie the bureaucrats commit
To take away the power from the corporate infection
We must destroy the crutch on which they cling for protection

You're not in the lead, I'm way up ahead
I'll bring the worker's bread, all you bring them is dread
Communism has already shown itself to fail
But don't worry comrades, anarchy will finally prevail!
shift4101

Con

It is true, in the end the same goal is what we try to achieve,
But you're forgetting one thing you really should percieve;
When there is no government, government forms.
If this didn't happen, civilization wouldn't be norm.

So cut the sh1t, Bukanin, even if you did win;
You would just have to sit down and start all over again.
But for Communism, I know I got it made.
The people who are oppressed can't survive a grenade.

If a group rises up, I just bring in the planes;
But you say "Don't do it, it will only cause pain!"
You gotta keep the people down and in their place;
Thats why I'm on top, fvck I'm in outer space.

Elementery school kids know my name
Are you jealous that you can't even say the same?
Man, quit b1tching about political insight and public attention,
Or I'll send you to Peter and Paul for another detention.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by socialpinko 5 years ago
socialpinko
That's the time period I've been using recently. I think I started before the voting updates when voting was more scarce.
Posted by shift4101 5 years ago
shift4101
Half a year voting period? I would imagine a month tops being satisfactory.
Posted by socialpinko 5 years ago
socialpinko
I think their rivalry was incredibly interesting and if I'm going to defend one of them, it might as well not be Marx.
Posted by Danielle 5 years ago
Danielle
Pinko, are you acknowledging merit to collectivist anarchism or are you just defending Bakunin for the lulz?
Posted by BlackVoid 5 years ago
BlackVoid
Lol, I think I'm gonna do that sometime now.
Posted by Itsallovernow 5 years ago
Itsallovernow
I want to post in Round 1: I do not accept this debate.
Posted by socialpinko 5 years ago
socialpinko
I don't care how long it is.
Posted by shift4101 5 years ago
shift4101
Can you provide more rules? I don't want to accept this to see you post an 8,000 character rap about Bakunin, because I definitely don't have the time to reply to that.
Posted by kohai 5 years ago
kohai
Go Marx! I may accept, but I am a terrible rapper!
Posted by socialpinko 5 years ago
socialpinko
Sorry, I know no one wants to be Marx but that's just the way it is.
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Vote Placed by nerdykiller 5 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: They both came in fists flying and found out that the battle is a tie. They both did great! I believed Pro won the 2nd round, but the con won the 3rd round.
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Reasons for voting decision: I honestly thought pro won every round.
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Reasons for voting decision: Both rappers used similar structure, had similar rhyme schemes, referenced similar concepts, etc. It was very close. Ultimately I gave the win to Con because his last 8 lines in both rounds just seemed more clever. Not only were they somewhat amusing, but they kinda dissed the opponent (Bakunin) in a more battle type fashion. I would have loved to see more disses whilst attacking each other's philosophical propositions. Again, tough pick but good job to both.
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Reasons for voting decision: Both were pretty damn good.
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Reasons for voting decision: I liked them both. What can I say?
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Reasons for voting decision: Like LK said, really good battle from both. Really easy to follow the rhythm, and the rhyme schemes were mostly perfect. I say mostly because I had some difficulty following Con's lines in R2 at times. Is also impressive as to how well both sides incorporated their thinkers' beliefs into the rap. I'm giving Pro a slight win since his lines were easy to follow 100 of the time.
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Reasons for voting decision: Very good rap battle from both sides. This is a very hard decision because both did superb. I think that CON did slightly better in Round 2 while PRO did slightly better in Round 3. However, Round 2 was a longer rap so it deserves more acknowledgment. I'm going to give a slight victory to CON but kudos to both sides.