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Rap music today is not better than it was in the early 2000's

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Started: 5/25/2014 Category: Music
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Rap music today is not better than it was in the early 2000's. Rap music nowadays seems to be mostly trash. A lack of coherency and creativeness is present.


Short answer: that's a matter of opinion. Many people say that music in previous generations are far more better than what we have today. Michael Stevens from Vsauce asks: "Is that true, or are we only remembering the good stuff?". And I add, are we only showing the "bad" stuff of this generation? Surely there has to be some "bad" rap from the early 2000's but you could be just remembering what was good or what you listened to. Sure; you can say it was better, you can have people vote, and you can compare, but fact is: you can't logically prove that any type of music or song is better than another. If anything, we can find unpleasant noises and call it a song, and then sure, it is bad. But since by definition rap is: "a type of popular music of US black origin in which words are recited rapidly and rhythmically over a prerecorded, typically electronic instrumental backing" (Google) we can't judge what is bad rapidly rhythmic vocal with electronic backing and what isn't. Sure, many people don't like Justin Bieber mainly because of his personal status and his looks, how he acts, etc.... But, if you were to just be given the song to listen to, you wouldn't be so judge-mental. I'll leave it for the next round to "compare" songs from the 2000's to Today's and also discuss the creativity and coherency.
Debate Round No. 1


Rap music today is not better than it was in the early 2000's. Rap music nowadays seems to be mostly trash. A lack of coherency and creativeness is present.

Let us compare: Eminem then to Eminem now. then now

In this example, it is obvious which song is better. The older one. Now, want to disagree? Eminem said he was better when he was on drugs (back then).

More substance is in his older songs. And not just Eminem, but every rap artist. Lyrical content has majorly dropped for rap music.

Now remember, I said MOSTLY. Nowadays the majority of rap artists try to create a catchy hook, and rap about something that is not creative.

Let's take Soulja boy for example, even.
Now in the video above, sure his songs are catchy in his "old" songs, but they were creative back then. Rap has now progressed (actually no progress has been made, but this is the correct term) into trying to copy this style. Thus, it is not creative.

Just read the comments in the Soulja Boy video.


I see you're not questioning if a song is "good" or "bad". You are claiming that some rap artists are not creative anymore. This may be true for older rappers, who have worn out their creativity. But fairly new rappers have started to emerge and their creativity is somewhat new and original.

Whether you like him or not, Tyler the Creator (starting in 2007) is gaining fame for his music. His lyrics have meaning and have thought put it for example "Answer" which came out last year, talks about his dad leaving him when he was born. And not just this song by him, "Tamale", "IFHY", and many others have deep meanings. (lyrics with explanations)

With new rappers coming in, you can guarantee that the material will be new. In fact, it could even evolve as we progress in the decades! Although I do see you're point with old rappers just making songs to get money, but there are new rappers that make original material. And soon, the old rappers like Eminem and Chris Brown will fade away. And the cycle repeats over and over. And as for your statement on Eminem, I would say people with problems and who are struggling tend to be more creative and expressive with their music. After Eminem got famous, he had it all and didn't have any problems to rap about so he just created what he could to get money.

Here are some rappers I found that show creativity and are fairly "new"

In my opinion, rap will always be good, we just have to forget about the older rappers who have no problems since they're basically making music for promotion and fame, and even advertisements and movies.
Debate Round No. 2


You're seeming to ignore the fact that I said MOSTLY. I could give you five examples of an incoherent, noncreative rapper for your every one example of a creative rapper nowadays.

Please note there is a difference between a rap artist and a rapper. A rap artist is just that - an artist that displays creativity, for example, like a painter. He or she paints pictures, has lyrical content, different motives, etc. A rapper is someone who doesn't care about those things, and just tries to bring in the most revenue possible. Let me try to clarify it further. A rapper can be associated with those who say "swag, molly, thot, etc." repeatedly over instrumentals that sound catchy and rap artists are on a whole different level - story telling, substance, coherency, and creativeness.

Rap artists are ALWAYS creative. Rappers can be creative, but usually are not.. which is why I said MOSTLY previously. They are mostly incoherent and noncreative.


Rap music today is not better than it was in the early 2000's. Rap music nowadays seems to be mostly trash. A lack of coherency and creativeness is present.


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Posted by gh000st 2 years ago
wrong, buddy.
Posted by YengPu 2 years ago
Why is this even a debate? It's entirely up to personal preference and nostalgia.
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