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left_wing_mormon
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Jlconservative
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Reagan was immoral and evil

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/15/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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left_wing_mormon

Pro

Ok, maybe "Evil" is too far. But Ronald Reagan has always been the symbol for the GOP, and really both sides of the political spectrum think Reagan represented America. Why?

Ronald Reagan is not the moral and worldly guy everyone thought he was. There was a yellow streak down this purple pansy. Example, remember Jane Wyman? This was Ronalds first wife. They were divorced, because during their marriage he was to busy meeting up with a girl named Nancy. Adultry is pretty evil, and it is immoral.

How about lying:

Yeah...Ronald Wilson Reagan (6 letters in each name--666)....(ok that was just a joke).....but really...
Jlconservative

Con

Jlconservative forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 1
left_wing_mormon

Pro

Don't worry, I understand when you can't make it to a response in time.

I'll just add a couple of more things then allow my opponet to respnd.

"For 18 months now, we have had under way a secret diplomatic initiative to Iran. That initative was undertaken for the simplest and best reasons: to renew a relationship with the nation of Iran; to bring a honorable end to the bloddy six-year war between Iran and Iraq;to eliminate state-spondored terrorism and subversion, and to effect the safe return of all hostages...
Durning the course of our secret discussions, I authorized the transfer of small amounts of defensive weapons and spare parts for defensive systems to Iran....These modest deliveries, taken together could easily fit into a single cargo plane....We did not--repeat--did not trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we."
Reagan Nov 14, 1986
Speech to Nation

(But he did sell those weapons....LIE)

Wouldn't slurs bew considered immoral? Well during a sound check for his weekly radio address, President Reagan refers to the Polish
government as a "Bunch of no-good lousy bums" Reagan 10/9/1982
(Note: Jobless Rate in the US is up to 10.1% at the time. Worst in 42 years)

Yeah, I am also willing to state that Reagan is an idiot as well. But that is another argument.

I hope my opponet is willing to respond to me, and I hope he gets to it.
Jlconservative

Con

Jlconservative forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
left_wing_mormon

Pro

My opponet did not respond with an argument, but rather through a comment down below. It reads: "I guess you will have no problem admitting that the pinacle of the Democrats, Bill Clinton, is just as evil and immoral as Reagan, right? I mean, they are both adulterers. One was in the Oval Office when he did it, and he admitted to it. Or will you come up with an excuse to apply selective morals like the rest of the democratic party?"

Ok, well first of all you are assuming that I think Bill Clinton represents the democrats or as you say he is the "pinacle" of the party. I actually do not like Bill Clinton at all, not because of the Lewinsky thing, but because of his favors to the republicans like NAFTA, making radio ads on "Christian" radio stations saying how against gay-marraige he is, proposing bills that increased the use of the death penalty, ect. Things like that is why I hate Bill Clinton, and you have to admit things like this do not make him the "pinacle" of Democrats.

Besides, Reagan in our American culture, is looked at like the "Grandfather of America". My argument is not about party. Right-wing or Left-wing. I'm here to say that Reagan was immoral. Him being evil is just a joke, but the pont is by accepting this argument my opponet has agreed to defend Ronald Reagan. He has failed to do so. All he has done was provide an argument that accepeted the idea that Reagan cheated on his wife and compared it to Bill.

This is my closing statement, and all I would like to say is, for those who vote against me are voting for my opponet. You are voting for him saying that he was a better debater, but he admited I was right about Reagan and his immorality, which means a vote for my opponet is a vote for my cause.

This debate is not whether Ronald Reagan was a "good or bad" president. Was he moral or not. You make the call. Look at the facts. Don't get distracted by othher politicans, be it republican or democrat. Was Reagan moral? As my opponet already agreed, he was not.
Jlconservative

Con

Jlconservative forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by griffinisright 9 years ago
griffinisright
I voted pro only because con forfeited all of his rounds. However I strongly disagree with your stance on the topic!
Posted by left_wing_mormon 9 years ago
left_wing_mormon
Ragnar_Rahl also said:
"Adultery is pretty evil, and it is immoral."

Not without knowing all the facts of the situation, which we don't.
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Well all we do know is that the "christian man" Ronald Reagan broke the 8th commandment. And unlike you, I would like to assume there aren't any loop holes when it comes to cheating on your wife.
Posted by left_wing_mormon 9 years ago
left_wing_mormon
Oops! Sorry about that...Your right...

As for Ragnar_Rahl he did say: I should specify of course, lying for normal reasons might not be mild, but lying to preserve the diplomatic viability of a situation one believes conducive to the safety of one's country is rather mild :D

Reagans lie and the Iran-Contra thing was not about diplomacy. It wasn't even about international safety. Reagan looked at the American people and into their eyes and said: "We did not, repeat, did not sell weapons to terrorist for hostages or any other reason."

Then when the story broke, he had to "apologize" to the nation. He had to apologize to the public, just like he had to apologize to Jane when he had divorce papers.
Posted by TheConservative 9 years ago
TheConservative
"My opponet did not respond with an argument, but rather through a comment down below. It reads: "I guess you will have no problem admitting that the pinacle of the Democrats, Bill Clinton, is just as evil and immoral as Reagan, right? I mean, they are both adulterers. One was in the Oval Office when he did it, and he admitted to it. Or will you come up with an excuse to apply selective morals like the rest of the democratic party?"

That was not your opponent who made the statement genius.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
I should specify of course, lying for normal reasons might not be mild, but lying to preserve the diplomatic viability of a situation one believes conducive to the safety of one's country is rather mild :D
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
"Adultery is pretty evil, and it is immoral."

Not without knowing all the facts of the situation, which we don't.

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How about lying:"

That much I'll give ya, but it's fairly mild.

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Wouldn't slurs bew considered immoral? "

Nope, slurs are just words. :D

Since there was no debate, I will abstain :D
Posted by Pricetag 9 years ago
Pricetag
The debate was on whether or not Reagan was immoral and evil not that he may be less so than another democrat. Also usually FDR or JFK are considered as the pinnacle of the democratic party, not Clinton, I mean he was a pretty good President but let's not get carried away here.
Posted by Harboggles 9 years ago
Harboggles
So GW Bush is more moral for LYING and causing an unjust war...?
Posted by left_wing_mormon 9 years ago
left_wing_mormon
My opponet isn't very good at debating is he...
Posted by smith76 9 years ago
smith76
Left Wing Mormon: I guess you will have no problem admitting that the pinacle of the Democrats, Bill Clinton, is just as evil and immoral as Reagan, right? I mean, they are both adulterers. One was in the Oval Office when he did it, and he admitted to it. Or will you come up with an excuse to apply selective morals like the rest of the democratic party?
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