The Instigator
Jifpop09
Pro (for)
Winning
14 Points
The Contender
RebelRebelDixieDixie01
Con (against)
Losing
2 Points

Rebeldixie01 and Iamaconfederate are terrible people.

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after 3 votes the winner is...
Jifpop09
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/22/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,570 times Debate No: 49691
Debate Rounds (4)
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Jifpop09

Pro

I will attempt to do 3 things in this debate. The stakes are high, as the loser has to leave DDO for 2 weeks. I will prove that...

- America would be led to chaos if they ever came to power.

- They are bigots, even if they don't realize it.

- They are uneducated on politics, and how the world works.

If the audience can think of anything else I should argue them on, I will most likely add it.

My opponents goal is to disprove all three statements I made. If even one of these points is left standing, then my opponent, rebel or confederate, have to leave DDO for 2 weeks. So I remind them that by accepting this debate, they are aware of the consequences.

Additional Items of Information
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- I will have the BOP.

- Debate.org can be used as a source.

- Voters must have completed 6 debates to vote.

Defintions that might come up
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Neo confederates


neo-confederate
Web definitions
  1. Neo-Confederate is a term used by some academics and political activists to describe the views of various groups and individuals who have a positive belief system concerning the historical experience of the Confederate States of America, the Southern secession, and the Southern United States.

Bigot

big·ot noun \G2;bi-gət\

: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Politics

pol·i·tics noun plural but singular or plural in construction \G2;pä-lə-G6;tiks\

: activities that relate to influencing the actions and policies of a government or getting and keeping power in a government

: the work or job of people (such as elected officials) who are part of a government

: the opinions that someone has about what should be done by governments : a person's political thoughts and opinions


RebelRebelDixieDixie01

Con

I accept.

Here are my reasons for why I am not a terrible person.

1. I'm awesome

2. In real life, I help people all the time.

3. I'm a boy scout.

4. I can only be so bad considering I am 12 years old.

Those are just a couple of reasons. I await my opponents srfuments
Debate Round No. 1
Jifpop09

Pro

I just want to remind the audience, that the title of the debate is different then the resolution. The resolution are the 3 points I outlined, which for Rebel to win, he must defuse all three.

Case 1: Rebel Dixie and ImaConfederate would lead America to chaos.



Views Expressed by the two parties

IamAConfederate
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- Believes that the southern states should secede from America, as the liberal north is too far gone.
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

- Will ban gay-straight alliances from schools, even though they are a innocent support group that help homosexual and confused individuals become accepted.

http://www.debate.org...

-Will supress the rights of LGBT's. Evident by him saying gays will never be socially or politically accepted.

http://www.debate.org...

-Would deport all non-white people from the United States. He actually outright said this. Keep that in mind for case 2.

http://www.debate.org...

RebelRebelDixieDixie01
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- It can be assumed he would kick out all muslims from America, evident by hi stating Islam is evil

http://www.debate.org...

- It can be assumed he would enact anti-gay policies. Pretty much evident by every thing he's ever wrote on this site.

http://www.debate.org...

- He is indecisive, evident by him often contradicting himself. He claims to be Jewish, Atheist, and Christian.

http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

- He would support North Korea

http://www.debate.org...

- He would ban tobbaco, as he claims to be anti drug, and considers tobbaco a drug.

http://www.debate.org...

- It can be assumed that he would force religon on the masses, evident by this poll.
http://www.debate.org...

- He would abolish gay marriage.

http://www.debate.org...

Case 2: RebelDixie and IamAConfederate are Bigots

Bigot

big·ot noun \G2;bi-gət\


: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Evident by the definition, a bigot is anyone who refuses to accept members of an individual group, or hates them.



Iamaconfederate:

Currently, I have deducted that he is

1. Anti Black


2. Anti LGBT

3. Anti Mexican

4. Anti Atheist

Argument 1: Anti Black and Mexican


- In this debate, Iamaconfederate argued against racial diversity

http://www.debate.org...


He said something offensive over the course of the debate....

"I could possibly agree with interbreeding on a small scale. That is how the Mexicans got started..."

Now, he also said some pretty racist things towards blacks...

Here he makes a racial stereotype regarding blacks, pointed out by two members.

Yes on occasion.

"I would say that you are black, becuase white people don't say represent a lot. Not a racist or anything, I've just noticed that black people tend to say things like represent, yo, wassup,swag or swagger, and other stuff like that. I would say its a cultural thing. It's what makes people unique."

http://www.debate.org...




Neo Confederalist

Iamaconfederate claims to be a neo-confederate on his profile, which the southern poverty league considers a, "hate ideology". They also say it overlaps with white supremacy, and that members will often deny being racist, which he says after every racist thing.

http://www.splcenter.org...

Anti LGBT
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A common pattern among denial bigots, is that they will back up their racism with false statistics or facts. Here are a few anti LGBT examples....

I will restate my original quote by him

"Being gay is not morally, spiritually, socially, or politically acceptable, and it never will be."

Just by saying that, he proves that he hates and refuses to accept a group. Therefore, a bigot. Also....

"Well, homosexuals don't deserve respect, they go against natural laws and defy the bible and God, they don't need to treat them with respect, they need to treat them with the exact opposite of respect, Leviticus 20:13,"

http://www.debate.org...

Once again, he fits the definition of bigotry.

RebelRebelDixieDixie01:

Alright, now there is no doubt this guy is bigoted.

"I'm interested to see what the world would be like without religion, chaos, evil, same sex marriage laws being passed, the world would be a sucky place to live in, and you know it."

http://www.debate.org...

On this poll, he choose "keep the mexicans out"

http://www.debate.org...

This poll really ticked me off. Which president would you rather have, and he choose White. 5 people started bashing him in the comments.

http://www.debate.org...

And this one....

http://www.debate.org...

I will move to case 3 next round. At the moment, I wish to refute a few of my opponents arguments.

1. I'm awesome

According to the rules, I must prove he would lead America to destruction to win. He's not helping his case.

2. In real life, I help people all the time.

Ok, but also not helping his case.

4. I can only be so bad considering I am 12 years old.

Terrible Argument, read this...

http://www.crimelibrary.com...

Ok, that is all for this round, and I would like to remind the audience the rules. If rebel fails to disprove all three points I set in the first round, he loses the debate.

RebelRebelDixieDixie01

Con

None of those things makes me or my brother terrible.

It's actually terrible for you to challenge me to a debate like this.

All of those things you put were our opinions.

Just because we would lead America to chaos (which is our goal) wouldn't make us terrible people, due to the fact that america is evil, well, at least the USA.

If we are bigots, that doesn't make us terrible.

Im not anti black.

Racial diversity is so we can keep our cultures separate (a good thing)

You make this gay (homosexual, sorry, didnt want to be offensive) debate and expect to prove we are terrible, but you just point out our opinions, yes, we're confederates, well, were pro south, yes, we hate the US, and yes, we're anti homosexual, but that makes us patriots for our culture, not terrible people.
Debate Round No. 2
Jifpop09

Pro

I have to forfeit this round, even though I will continue debating. My opponent can drop the debate if he wishes though, and we'll keep it tied
RebelRebelDixieDixie01

Con

RebelRebelDixieDixie01 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Jifpop09

Pro

Extend all arguments. I am personally unimpressed with my opponents lack of will to debate this. He didn't respond to a single argument I made, and "I'm not anti-black" seems to be a rather weak rebuttal.

Also, I would like to point out, that the rules state if one of the arguments is left standing, then I win the argument points. My opponent has admitted to being a bigot by stating he is anti-homosexual. Which means all points should be forfeited in the argument category.
RebelRebelDixieDixie01

Con

RebelRebelDixieDixie01 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
36 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by ThatLibertarian 1 year ago
ThatLibertarian
While I disagree with a lot of what dixierebel, I must point out it is technically possible to be Christian and Jewish, as I consider myself a Messianic-Jew. As for Atheism, you need to pay attention to the timeline of these as people can convert and change, and he may consider himself to be culturally Christian and Jewish.
Posted by texans14 2 years ago
texans14
Bigot is a horrible word.
Posted by ESocialBookworm 2 years ago
ESocialBookworm
Be careful Jif.
Posted by Romanii 2 years ago
Romanii
Yes. Very, very terrible.
Posted by Jifpop09 2 years ago
Jifpop09
I'm sure its a terrible burden.
Posted by Romanii 2 years ago
Romanii
Your center justified formatting is annoying to read when the sentences aren't taking up the entire line...
Posted by Jifpop09 2 years ago
Jifpop09
Alright, well low blows are my specialty
Posted by A341 2 years ago
A341
Even if they are bigoted and misinformed (as they most certainly are) this seems like a low blow.
Posted by Jifpop09 2 years ago
Jifpop09
Do I know you. It says you joined 10 hours ago. Why don't run off and cry to someone who cares. For all I know your another bigot hick.
Posted by nuggi 2 years ago
nuggi
jifpop are you that stupid to pull up polls for the sources to your claims. your claims have no substantial evidence to ever generalize america and claim it is reasonable to think they are going to kick out gays, blacks and Muslims. its almost clear to me your brain is numb or your just a troll. and @bettabreeder wtf do you mean there is nothing wrong with being anti atheistic or anti gay. of course its wrong. being anti something doesn't resemble pride it resembles hatred and ignorance. the very fact that you would rather go against than hear any reasonable or rational arguments shows your ignorant. your beliefs are too ingrained in your inadequate brain to suggest your beliefs are superior to others.
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Vote Placed by Romanii 2 years ago
Romanii
Jifpop09RebelRebelDixieDixie01Tied
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct to Con because Pro made personal attacks on him (by instigating this debate, lol). S&G to Con as well, mainly because formatting is a part of that and Pro's center justified arguments were frustrating to read. Arguments to Pro because Con conceded he was a bigot and didn't even attempt to expand on why he believes being a bigot does not equate to being a terrible person. Sources to Pro because only he used any. Interesting debate. I hope Jifpop doesn't get banned for it under the new policy...
Vote Placed by Actionsspeak 2 years ago
Actionsspeak
Jifpop09RebelRebelDixieDixie01Tied
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Reasons for voting decision: Con used a subjective argument, failed to refute the majority of pro's argument, and forfeited.
Vote Placed by ESocialBookworm 2 years ago
ESocialBookworm
Jifpop09RebelRebelDixieDixie01Tied
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct: I would give a conduct point to Jif for the FFs but he forfeited a round too so I'm trying to be fair as the stakes are high. Convincing Arguments: Jif because he had more examples and had evidence. Also, Con conceded that she was a bigot. Finally, sources goes to Jif because he actually found proof and linked it on the debate and seemed to do more research. Good job to both of you. Hope the debater that loses re-joins DDO after the two weeks.