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Recent voter ID laws major purpose is to keep people from voting (details)

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AlwaysMoreThanYou
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/30/2011 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Willoweed

Pro

My opponent can either make the first arguments or let me make mine first. However if he/she mas the first arguments he/she will not be allowed to argue in the last round.
AlwaysMoreThanYou

Con

I accept. Good luck. (This is not an argument)
Debate Round No. 1
Willoweed

Pro

1)The often said reason for these new voter ID laws is to prevent and to eliminate the problem of voter fraud. However the fact remains that voter fraud really does not happen. For example over a 5 year period the government found only 70 cases of voter fraud.
http://www.factcheck.org...

2)So why would state governments take time out of their day to institute voter ID laws when there isn't a problem with voter fraud? Is it because they want to waste a billion dollars every 4 years in order to pay for the ID's? http://www.democrats.org... I doubt that is the reason.

3)Well let's see what a political strategist for the SC senate republican Caucus says about an AP report that voter ID laws are affecting blacks more than whites, his response was, "Nice! [this] proves EXACTLY why we need VOTER ID in SC."
http://www.thesunnews.com...
https://twitter.com...

4)Want to know what Wisconsin republicans did after they passed a law requiring voters to get special ID from the DMV in order to vote? Well they closed DMV's in heavily Black and democratic neighborhoods.
http://wisconsinwave.org...
http://www.searchingforchetbaker.com...

5)In 2008 alone at least 5 million people showed up to vote but found that they either did not have the right ID or had been purged from the voter rolls.
http://www.opednews.com...

6)How many more people will be unable to vote in 2012 because of new voter laws? Well 21 million American voters currently do not contain the proper voter ID's the new laws require.
http://www.guardian.co.uk...

Conclusion: The only reason a government would enact laws that waste billions of dollars and makes it so harder for everyone to vote and makes it so millions are unable to vote on election day is because that government wants to keep people from voting.
AlwaysMoreThanYou

Con

I would like to start out by saying that I am honored to debate with Willoweed regardin this topic. Good luck!

I will be taking the position that the major purpose of recent voter ID laws is not to keep people who have the right to vote from voting (making the reasonable assumption that Pro isn't trying to force a semantics win by claiming recent voter ID laws stop people who shouldn't be voting from voting).

Rebuttals:

1) Although Pro says "However, the fact remains that voter fraud really does not happen.", that is quite simply untrue. The Colorado Secretary of State's office determined that around 5,000 people who were not United States citizens, and therefore not eligible to vote, voted in the 2010 Senate Race. That doesn't really seem like voter fraud not actually happening [1].

2) Seeing as voter fraud is arguably an issue, state governments might take time out of their day to stop it. Voter fraud cannot be disregarded so quickly.

3) The quote in this argument is taking out of context. Firstly, the state is offering free ID cards, the Republican Governor offered voters without ID cards free rides to state offices to get them last month, and most importantly the AP report actually says the exact opposite of what Pro claims. Statewide, estimations actually show that black and white voters are both being disenfranchised equally by the new voter ID laws, and it therefore cannot be said that blacks are being affected more than whites [2].

4) Although some DMVs were closed, there are still areas in which the requisite IDs might be obtained.

5) It is true that at least 5,000,000 people showed up to vote and didn't, but according to the New York Times article Pro's source is based upon, many of the errors were clerical, that is, information incorrectly entered in databases, rather than not having the right ID. Furthermore, the article goes on to say that this is roughly equal to the number of voters who were deterred from voting in the 2000 election, which, if nothing else, shows that this is not a result of recent voter ID laws [3].

6) According to the source Pro provides, 21,000,000 American voters do not have the voter ID required by the most draconian legislation. Unless all 21 million of those voters live in the same area, which would also have to be the strictest area in terms of ID legislation, it is unlikely that number of voters will be disenfranchised [4].

Conclusion: A government might enact laws that cost money and make voting harder in order that voting fraud might not occur. After all, you need to show a valid ID in order to board an airplane, rent a car, cash a check, buy liquor, enter offices buildings in metropolitan areas, and get married, so demonstrating a photo ID in order to vote is not a bizarre and pointless exercise.

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Debate Round No. 2
Willoweed

Pro

Willoweed forfeited this round.
AlwaysMoreThanYou

Con

Well, since my opponent has not contested that there appears to be voter fraud, I rest my case that the voter ID laws may prevent people from voting, but that is not their major purpose.
Debate Round No. 3
Willoweed

Pro

Willoweed forfeited this round.
AlwaysMoreThanYou

Con

Seeing that my opponent forfeited, I urge a vote for Con.
Debate Round No. 4
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Vote Placed by RoyLatham 5 years ago
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