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Religion cannot back up any argument

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Started: 2/19/2010 Category: Religion
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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effy

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Many times I have come across debates and religion is used all too often as proof to back up which ever side. I'm going by the bible now, as I have read it and have a limited knowledge on this subject. Now it is meant to be the word of god, but seeing as this god has ceased to prove existence, how can it be trusted? I truly believe the bible is no source of proof or evidence to have any input into any debate, no matter the subject.
Grape

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Resolution Negated: Religion cannot back up any argument.

Introduction: Let me start of my saying that the Bible is not the word of God. God does not exist. I think my opponent and I are in relative accord on these points. However, in this argument I intent to show that this does not invalidate the use of the Bible (or other religious texts) as a source, only that they must be considered as works of historical fiction and not divine inspiration. There are the main ways the Bible could be used as a legitimate source in a debate:

1. If the debate is theological in nature.

When debating about topics with a certain religion, the texts of said religion make extremely valuable sources. Often the correct interpretation of scripture becomes a subject of debate. The use of religious texts in such a debate could provide valuable context for understanding other religious concepts.

2. As a means of understanding culture.

Religion and culture are very closely tied together. In an especially religious place, religious texts of the faiths followed by the inhabitants could provide useful clues toward understanding their culture.

3. As a historical narrative.

Though many of the events described in the Bible may be fictitious, it does describe many real events in a fair amount of detail. It also provides insight into the culture of the time when it was written.

Conclusion: Though it may be circular reasoning the us the Bible as an argument for theism, it can certainly be used to support other arguments. To say that the Bible cannot be used as a source for any subject is to ignore its potential utility.
Debate Round No. 1
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Grape 6 years ago
Grape
I could have been more specific about that. What I mean is that you cannot say "God exists because the Bible says he does." In order for every word of the Bible to be true, God would have to exist already so it does not prove anything.
Posted by popculturepooka 6 years ago
popculturepooka
This debate is....interesting.

"Though it may be circular reasoning the us the Bible as an argument for theism" -- Grape

I'm sure you didn't intend that come out like that, did you? Because that's hardly always the case.
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