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Religion cause more blood shed than any other reason

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Started: 2/6/2018 Category: Religion
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ffr123

Con

According to the Encyclopedia of War, out of all known/recorded historical conflicts, only about 7% had religion as their primary cause, and of that percentage. So if anyone think that religion is the root of evil they already been brainwashed
PinkSheep123

Pro

Hello everyone and I am arguing why Religion has caused more bloodshed then any other reason

Before we start I do not mean to get anybody mad at me, what I am arguing does not reflect my beliefs, and I look forward to an interesting debate

Rebuttal
Con has opened by talking about wars. However, there are a lot of other things involving bloodshed that are not wars.

Point One: Wars
American Revolution
The revolution was caused by a conflict between the Anglican Church and the Colonists (History.com)

The Crusades
In the Crusades, invaders fought over a "holy" city and many people died from wounds or diseases

According to the Huffington Post, 74% of all historical/recorded wars are caused by religion

Voters: Huffington post vs. Encyclopedia of War

Point Two: Terrorism
Al quada-Due to a twisting of the muslim religion

Isis-Also due to a twisting of the muslim religion

9/11

Boston Marathon

These are all events that killed many people, and they were brought about due to religion


Point Three: Genocides
The Holocaust-Hitler was mass-killing Jews because of their religion. (Common Knowledge)
The Rwandan Genocide was also due to religion (Nytimes)
According to Statista, 95% of Genocides are caused by religion

Source Tally
Me: 4 sources
Con: 1 source

Logical Fallacy
Con has claimed that "So if anyone think that religion is the root of evil they already been brainwashed". That is a Strawman logical fallacy because that is not what I was arguing.


Conduct Points
For same reason above

Thank you, and I await more Con arguments.



Debate Round No. 1
ffr123

Con

Point one wars

Do you now how many wars event is mentioned in encyclopaedism of war? More than 1300 war event....even you are right about American evolution and the crusader....is will not make the amount of war caused by religion exceed 10% of it...

Point two terrorism

Okay you can count how many terrorism event which cause by religion happen in the last...say....10 years....then you can divide it to number of crime happen in the same period...I guarantee you it will not exceed 50% either you counting by the number of victim or by number of event....

Point three genocide

You say that hitler mass murdering the jews because their religion!!!! And you said it is common knowledge....no....Hitler mass murdering the jews because their race not because their religion....you got it wrong maybe because you think that jews only a religion name instead it is also race name....remember hittler doing mass murdering to realiaze his idea of the superiority of aryan race....
PinkSheep123

Pro

Hello and I thank con for responding.

Counter rebutts

In defense of: Wars
Wars are a substantial portion of bloodshed caused by religion. While the majority of wars may not be caused by religion, the substantial amount that are combined with terrorism and genocide make it.

In defense of: terrorism
Voters, there have been more terrorism events then just those in the past 10 years.

In defense of: genocide
I have a source now: (history.com) Voters, we cannot take this refutation into account, because I have a source and my opponent does not

Source tally
Me: 5 sources
Con: 1 source

All of Con's arguments are still refuted.
My arguments still stand

Therefore voters, please vote for me
Debate Round No. 2
ffr123

Con

Point One: Wars
Okay so you admit that the majority of war not caused by religion? (lets forget about terrorism and genocide in this section because i will refute it in the following section)

Point Two : Terrorism
By definition terrorism is the systematic use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective (https://www.britannica.com...). So if we use this definition, terrorism is not necessarily caused by religion....

I agree with you if you say war not the only means to cause bloodshed....but terrorism, genocide, and homicide can cause bloodshed too...
Now let we see some data from http://www.start.umd.edu... about the global terrorism event from 2004 - 2014....the amount of terrorism event is 65.932 incident.....now lets compare it to US homicide event (only in US not the whole world) in http://www.murderdata.org..., at the same periode of 2004 - 2014 the amount of homicide event is 168.573 incident. Even if we assume that all terrorism incident is caused by religion it is still huge difference...

Point Three : Genocide
Your take your source from history tv channel website and i don't know where exactly the related information that you based on is located, furthermore i don't think it is a reliable source but let assume it is reliable.....
Like i said in the previous round The Holocaust which is did by Nazis not based on the religion but on race....Holocaust is carried on by applying Nuremberg Laws after Hittler seize power....the intention behind Nuremberg Law is to protect German Blood and Honour, you can read it in https://en.wikipedia.org... and https://en.wikipedia.org...
PinkSheep123

Pro

In defense of: Terrorism
Yes, terrorism is a huge difference, as stated by Con. Not much to refute here

In defense of: genocide
Con has stated that history.com is not a reliable source. however, Con uses wikipedia as a sourc so therefore it is unreliable and that refutation cannot be taken into account

I would like to point out that Con has no arguments of his own.
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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by missmedic 1 week ago
missmedic
Most conflicts start because of moral certainty. History overflows with misery inflicted by well-intentioned people who were convinced that they had seen the only true moral values, and who sought to convert or destroy those who would not agree.
The Inquisition was premised on the moral certainty of the Roman Church. Its officers were wholly convinced that the Christian scriptures as interpreted by the Pope were true, and that they revealed an objective system of morality. On those grounds, any individuals who did not share those values were inescapably found to be a threat to the realization of Christian values in this world. Therefore they were persecuted and ferociously tortured to make them recant their "heresies".

In our own century, we find that countries which succumbed to totalitarian ideologies " Stalin"s Russia, Mao"s China, Hitler"s Germany " created societies in which those who professed to see the true values deemed themselves entitled to indoctrinate, intimidate, or exterminate those who disagreed.
Posted by ABC123TT 2 weeks ago
ABC123TT
Most conflicts start because a leader wants something from some other leader.
Posted by missmedic 2 weeks ago
missmedic
It is not religious belief that causes so much strife in the world, it is the moral certainty of that belief. History overflows with misery inflicted by well-intentioned people who were convinced that they had seen the only true moral values, and who sought to convert or destroy those who would not agree. In our own century, we find that countries which succumbed to totalitarian ideologies " Stalin"s Russia, Mao"s China, Hitler"s Germany " created societies in which those who professed to see the true values deemed themselves entitled to indoctrinate, intimidate, or exterminate those who disagreed. What we value will always matter more then what we believe.
Posted by canis 2 weeks ago
canis
Adolf Hitler would not have spilled a drop of blood if he had had it his way to begin with...
Posted by canis 2 weeks ago
canis
But I admit that the main course for blood shed is the believe in human rights..
Posted by canis 2 weeks ago
canis
Everything you believe in will cause blood shed...If not 100 % agree with you, (what choise do a minority in islam have).. They get killed.
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