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Religion holds too much power over individuals.

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Started: 6/4/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Ice-Bros

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Think of everything that has been done in the name of religion. 9/11, The Crusades, The Witch Killings, the Aztecs sacrificing children to name but a few. Religion has extreme control over people and has been proven to hinder development and impair creativity. Now i'm not saying that religion should be banned and all faith eradicated, only that religions should allow their followers more freedom and not force them to conform to their specific and unique rules using fear. Eg. if you are a homosexual you will therefore face a lifetime of suffering in hell for defying God's rule. Looking for logical arguments using facts not guesses and propaganda, please no fanatics who will threaten to smite me I want an intelligent discussion. Thanks.
Dmot

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There are certainly examples, like the ones that you give, which provide evidence of religious people using religion as a justification for power and harm that they do not have or should not have. Many people have abused religion for this end.

However, your argument that religions should do something else rests on the assumption that no religion is of God. If a religion is merely a human construct meant to guide people to some end, for instance, possibly discovering truths about God or getting to some state of bliss, then I could see your point. Maybe your point would be valid. However, if the religion comes from God, then that religion can't change to accomadate people's views.

The religion can change specific practices or perhaps be more considerate about how it approaches issues, but it can't change fundamental truth IF that truth does in fact come from God.

Now, I am not going to argue that any religion does in reality come from God. That is not the point of this debate. The point however is that in order to argue that religions ought to teach things less strongly or less adamantly and allow more freedom ASSUMES that they are not teaching according to God's will.

I can put the argument in deductive form like this:
1) If a religion teaches God's truth, it ought not to change
2) Religion X teaches God's truth
Therefore, Religion X ought not to change.

Now. I am not defending claim 2, only claim 1. Premise 1 I think is obviously true because the alternative would mean that it could go against a supreme authority which would be in itself wrong and very harmful to man, and therefore, a religion ought not do that.

Since I am not making an argument for premise 2, the conclusion "religion X ought not to change" doesn't follow. However, if premise 2 is true, the conclusion does follow. This means that your entire argument hinges on no religions actually teaching God's truth. But if you think that is the case, it is really a different argument. The problem is NOT that religions have too much power but that they are all FALSE and therefore teaching FALSE things about reality which is itself too controlling to people.
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Posted by zommunist 2 years ago
zommunist
Religion is too powerful indeed- you can say religion is totalitarian. In fact, totalitarianism originated from religion- the French revolutionaries keenly borrowed the Church's means of control, not to mention both Hitler and Kim Il Sung drew from their Christian backgrounds- the idea of a supreme being above the individual.

This is truly horrible, where religious individuals use their higher 'connection' with God to justify their atrocities. Religious people, unless moderate, generally believe that their holy book is true and any evidences must fit around the truth. Thankfully religions no longer control the state. But even today, religious bodies like churches and mosques use their holy book to guide one's way of thinking, of acting etc. often irrationally.

The Crusade and the Jihad are merely clashes between two totalitarian doctrines. Both the Christians and Muslims believe their doctrine was the 'absolute truth' and heretics must be wiped out.

And imagine if this supreme God does exist, it will truly be horrible- a heavenly big brother that will make any modern day totalitarian regimes look like democratic utopias. In Christopher Hitchens's words, it is like a 'celestial North Korea'.
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