Religion should be taken out of the USA government
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We'll start our argument on the second round.
Okay, I'll separate my argument into two separate points.
1. According to this source, America is growing with religious diversity. The major religion praised in government is Christianity and due to this growing diversity, it is not just to exclude over religions. Christian beliefs are everywhere in the USA government. For example, the money we use here says "In God We Trust," there is prayer in public schools, and "Under God" is in the pledge of allegiance.
Sources for first point: http://www.pewforum.org...
2. One specific religion in government comes with its own bias. A few beliefs held by Christians that affects the way USA is run are:
-Stance on LGBT (Lesbian, gay, bi, trans)
Of course, not all Christians follow the bible very literally, however the bible does affect few aspects in government.
Evidence for bible against specific beliefs:
On abortion: Well, I've been looking for a quote directly saying abortion is wrong in the bible, but I can't find anything. According to a source I've found (listed), "The unborn is a person" and "murder is wrong." They say, without evidence, that fetuses are persons. I won't be getting into that, however.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."
LGBT 2: "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."
Genesis 1:27 NIV
This belief is not exactly trans friendly. According to LGBT and allies, gender is more than two.
Sources for second point: https://carm.org...
I am not specifically saying that trusting that religion is okay in the government because people may depend on these religious beliefs, but I feel that having so much of it in the government introduces an chance of unfairness.
To sum up so far:
1. There is religious diversity everywhere, I believe that what you are saying there is that Christianity is already declining out of the government and that it should be sped up, this is to broad of an argument therefore I cannot, and will not refute it.
2. Are you saying that being pro life is a bad thing? This whole debate could turn into an anti abortion debate if we let it but I will request this, that you give me one decent, logical reason of why an unborn child should be killed.
While LGBT lifestyles have been worming there way into American culture, even non Christians see it as wrong, detestable, and disgusting.
I think that your arguments look good at a glance but they are much to broad, this debate is 3 separate, smaller debates.
My point for you; The USA was founded on Christian PRINCIPLES, not Christianity itself. The founding fathers recognized that something like this would happen and founded the USA accordingly. So while there are, and are supposed to be, Christian morals and principles in the government, the religion itself is not part of the government. I am not trying to contradict myself. I am simply pointing out the facts.
I myself am pro-life and anti LGBT.
To any of you following or just glancing over this debate, My opponents arguments look good but when you have to refute them, you realize that this is more than just one debate.
2. I am not prolife or anti LGBT. I am not saying that having those beliefs are bad, however I am saying that religious beliefs affect the actions of the government, due to its inequality in government. According to this source, (below) there is already inequality in the senate. This inequality introduces a certain bias. Being Christians hold those specific beliefs, them being the majority, affects the laws and ideas issued.
Even though, not only Christians are anti LGBT, there is an overwhelming percent that is. It is a major belief of Christianity for the opposition of LGBTQ.
According to you, America was founded on Christian principles? Which are those? To be a good person? If so, that is not Christian. That's common sense. A few of our founding fathers have said quotes that contradict that belief. For example, "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"- Thomas
This is merely one debate, yet with complex aspects of it. It's somewhat layered.
I rest my case and hope that my opponent can realize that these are the things the founding fathers despised.
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