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beefcurtians
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HiBigBoy
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Religious theories should not be taught in science class

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Started: 12/14/2017 Category: Religion
Updated: 7 months ago Status: Debating Period
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beefcurtians

Pro

Religious theories about the creation of the universe should not be taught in science class because of the lack of empirical evidence. If anything, religious beliefs should be discussed in the framework of global religions during social studies as simply a belief.
HiBigBoy

Con

first thing "no proof" that's a lie by its self. look around you what could have made the universe was it just random well I don't think so the calculation to make a universe would have been far too advanced just happen by random. Something more superior than all humanity would have had to do something so significant ,so important. this couldn't have been done by "random" a god would have had to do something like this.
Debate Round No. 1
beefcurtians

Pro

The universe is a stunning and beautiful place, and immensely complex. And in many ways it looks like it could have been designed. But the simple fact is over the course of millions of years organisms have evolved and adapted through natural selection and genetic mutations to fit their habitat. The complexity exhibited by the world happened at a very slow pace, building in complexity over time.

As to respond to the charge of randomness in the universe, the cosmological constants that allow matter to be formed were random. As well as the placement of earth from the sun etc. Its luck that they are conducive to life and consciousness.

Furthermore, you cannot explain the complexity of the universe by stating "something more complex designed it". This forces you to explain the designer. Fundamentally, what are they? Were they themselves designed? What are their limits?

I still submit that religious beliefs have no scientific backing and should remain in other fields to explain the origins of the universe.
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Posted by I_just_plant_the_seed 7 months ago
I_just_plant_the_seed
Actually didn't even notice that this was already said.
Posted by beefcurtians 7 months ago
beefcurtians
@i _just_plant_the_seed thank you for your last comment, i was very confused

Religion doesnt add ANYTHING to the explanation of the universe and all its amazing qualities, and it simply will never
Posted by I_just_plant_the_seed 7 months ago
I_just_plant_the_seed
What is the empirical evidence for the theory that "only theories with empirical evidence should be taught"?
Posted by dsjpk5 7 months ago
dsjpk5
@beef But there's no empirical evidence, so you have offered a faulty argument.
Posted by canis 7 months ago
canis
..."and Religion can help out with taking out false absolutes."................................ Religion never did that..its the other way around.. Science has taken the false absolutes out of religion. And there is nothing left but a long story..
so what could religious dreams give to science..Nothing. Never had and never will.
Posted by What50 7 months ago
What50
I don't understand how people believe in Science vs Religion. Both are complementary to each other. Science can help religion by taking out superstitions, and Religion can help out with taking out false absolutes. Both have the same goal which is growth, and you can't grow if you aren't open minded.
Posted by beefcurtians 7 months ago
beefcurtians
Faith the willful suspension of critical thinking and logic
Posted by missmedic 7 months ago
missmedic
Beliefs and faiths do not establish "truths" or facts. It does not matter how many people believe or for how many centuries they have believed it. It does not matter how reverent or important people think of them, if it does not agree with evidence, then it simply cannot have any validity to the outside world. All things we know about the world, we can express without referring to a belief. Even at its most benign level, beliefs can act as barriers to further understanding.
Ask yourself this, what usable knowledge do we gain from creationism? Believers must be able to present a model of the universe in which some god is "either required, productive, or useful." One need not own beliefs of any kind to establish scientific facts, observe and enjoy nature, or live a productive, moral, and useful life.
Posted by canis 7 months ago
canis
What could religious dreams give yo science..Nothing. Never had and never will.
Posted by beefcurtians 7 months ago
beefcurtians
@snuggle_daddy
Science is at least trying to figure out the origins of the universe and the origins of mankind, collecting data to support theories until a better supported theory comes to light. Furthermore, scientists admit that we dont fully know yet, where as thiests claim they know for CERTAIN how the universe was made without a shred of proof.
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