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Rematch: Pikachu vs Jibanyan

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Strategery

Pro

1st debate: http://www.debate.org...

New rules:

1) Evolution or Fusion of any character is forbidden. Meaning Pikachu is unable to become Raichu (even though it will never happen anyways), nor can Jibanyan fuse with any Yo-kai to become Baddinyan or Thornyan.

2) Neither character can recieve backup. It will be only Pikachu and Jibanyan fighting. However, Ash and Nate can instruct their partner, but Ash and Nate aren't allowed to actually enter the battle. Also, Any other "-nyan" Yo-kai are forbidden, such as the gem-nyans, fruit-nyans, Robonyan, Goldenyan, or Shogunyan. Even if Shogunyan and Robonyan are technically Jibanyan. It'll be only Jibanyan and Pikachu fighting.

3) No held items will be allowed. So Pikachu can't have anything, nor can Jibanyan.

4) We can use data from the video games to determine base stats. But I would like to bring something up: in Yo-kai Watch, there is a "Spirit" stat, which is both the attack power and defense regarding 'spells', or elemental attacks used. This Spirit stat will be treated like the Special stat from the 1st generation of Pokemon. But Pikachu will have Special Attack and Special Defense like all Pokemon have nowadays.

5) While we can use data from the video games, ultimately, we're using the characters from the cartoon. The majority of arguments should come from feats accomplished in the animes of Pokemon and Yo-kai Watch.

6) The battle will take place in a stadium this time, similar to the arenas Ash is in occasionally. There is no homefield advantage.

7) We will be arguing for 5 stats: Strength (how much damage the character deals), agility (speed and nimbility), Durability (how much damage the character can take), abilities (special powers, such as elemental attacks, or spiritual prowess), and Partner; how helpful Ash and Nate are in terms of instructing their respective friends.

8) Saying that a franchise is more popular is not a valid argument. We're focusing on this battle as unbiased as possible, even if some fan makes some death battle where Pikachu wins. (Or maybe the person's a Yo-kai Watch fan)

9) I'd prefer you have an argument constructed before accepting this debate. If you can't come up with an argument, say "pass" or something along those lines to the debate doesn't freeze, at least.

10) Failure or refusal to follow these rules risks an automatic loss.

No acceptance is necessary. Con will go first and write "pass" for final round.
PowerPikachu21

Con

Rematch accepted. I'll be arguing Jibanyan would likely win this fight. But I would suggest no information be concealed. Let's get ready for this fight!
Debate Round No. 1
Strategery

Pro

Pickachu:

Strength & Damage

Electrifying DPS and Instant K/O Power - Pikachu is an electric pokemon capable of instantly shocking or stunning his opponents with up to 100,000 volts of electricity. Pkiachu's electric attacks are so powerful and so instantaneous; he has even been shown to defeat ground type pokemon by using only electric shocks which would normally do no damage at all.

In addition to the above, Pikachu is an accomplished melee fighter and is able to b*** slap opponents with the Iron Tail, which many pokemon experts have compared to being as hard as vibranium alloy

Amazing AOE – Pikachu regularly handles and defeats many opponents at once. In Pokemon EP001 I Choose You! Pikachu was able to fend off an entire flock of spearows despite being injured and nearly surrounded. Having area attacks that can attack and defend against multiple & single attackers coming from any direction is obviously a net boon in pikaboo’s favor.

Megaton Damage Dealer – Volt Tackle is considered by Screwattack to be one of the most insanely ferocious attacks ever observed by a Pokemon. In Pikachu vs. Blanka, Whiz and Boomstick described this attack as having close to one megaton worth of force, which of course is equivalent to one million tons of TNT and is what physicists use to measure the strength of atomic bombs.

Speed and Agility

Quick Attack - Pikachu is one of the fastest pokemon in the pokemon universe and is able to fight and run at breathtaking speeds, often creating mirror images of himself while fighting. Overall he is nearly a million times faster than Jibanyan.

Agility - Pikachu is nimble enough to dodge missiles, flamethrowers, lasers, and lighting bolts. Combined with his amazing speed, Pikachu's acrobatic agility is unrivaled.

Durability

Super Smash Bros Durability- Pikachu is one of Ash's most durable pokemon, capable of going toe to toe with psuedo-legendary pokemon such as Metagross and Dragonite and even actual legendary pokemon such as Regice. He was also capable of fighting Tobias' powerful Latios to a draw, despite the fact that Electric type moves are not very effective against Dragon types.

Abilities & Specials

Leer – Broken, godly, cheating, and insanely OP, Leer is considered by pokemon fans and cartoon battle experts to be one of the most over-powered fighting abilities of all-time, comparable to using Goku’s Spirit Bomb or Superman’s X-Ray vision. With Leer, Pickachu has the admin like ability to lower the defenses of any opponent, meaning Pickachu pretty much wins this fight by default and by a score of no contest.

Proof of Pickachu using Leer:

1) http://cdn.bulbagarden.net...
2) http://2.bp.blogspot.com...
3) http://images4.fanpop.com...

Diplomacy -Pickachu is clearly considered the leader of Ash's pokemon, whereas he has often used charisma and diplomacy to inspire others and gain allies. In Pickachu’s Vacation for instance, Pickachu used his negotiation skills to convince Raichu’s gang to become friends and assist him with aiding Charizard. In Pickahu vs. Jibanyan then, it is not inconceivable that Pikachu could use his wits, diplomacy, and good looks again to convince Nathan Adams or Jibanyan to put aside differences and forfeit the fight.

Rock Star Popularity & Social Network– Pickaboo and Ash Ketchup are insanely popular in the pokemon universe, have traveled the world, and have made friends and alliances with an infinite number of pokemon trainers, gym leaders, nurses, scientists, CEOs, archaeologists, government leaders, and other important VIPs – which is a huge boon when fighting in a stadium that will more than likely be packed with Pickachu supporters. With the crowd on his side, we can expect Pickachu to have far greater stamina and morale in any public stadium fight against Jibaynan. We can also count on Ash and Pickachu to visit these Pokemon gyms and scientists ahead of time for invaluable extra training and leveling if given prep time.

The Team Rocket Factor - Where ever there is Ash and Pikachu, Team Rocket is never far behind. And while the rules of this fight do not allow for any direct help by allies, they still do not disallow third party interference. In the event then that Team Rocket decides to show up -and they always do-, it is far more likely that Ash and Pickachu will handle the interference better than Jibanyan and Nathan Adams; seeing as how Ash and Pickachu have dealt with them before, Jibanyan is a much rarer monster (and will be the main focus of a Team Rocket attack), and Pickachu has superior AOE for handling multiple opponents.

Luck Comparable to Harry Potter - In Pokemon episode 1, Pikachu was presented to Ash Ketchup in a pokeball with the emblem of a lightning bolt, clearly indicating (like Harry Potter's famous scar) that he is the chosen one with a unique destiny, whereas he has repeatedly proven this time again by beating the odds against some of the most powerful pokemon ever.

Cartoon Mouse Advantage - Pikachu is a cartoon mouse, whereas Jibanyan is clearly a cat, and the history of cartoon cat vs. cartoon mouse matchups shows that the mouse always wins. This is true with Tom vs. Jerry, Speedy Gonzalez, Itchy and Scratchy, Stuart Little, Mighty Mouse, and Pikachu vs. Meowth.

Ash Ketchum/ Helper

Super Human Durability - Ash Ketchum has superhuman durability and could be immortal. He has repeatedly been zapped, hosed, torched, blasted, water boarded, and chomped on, but has never yet suffered any lethal injuries. The one time he was temporary incapacitated in the 1st Pikaboo movie, he was miraculously able to preserve his body by turning himself into stone – never dying. This durability is important for the unfortunate event that the helpers come under attack by either Jibanyan or Pickaboo. Nathan Adams for instance, is going to get zapped by a thousand volts and probably paralyzed.

Ridiculously Good Luck - Once again, Ash Ketchum has shown he is insanely lucky with superhuman instincts and durability, but more than that he always seems to win against impossible odds, even though Team Rocket (a billion dollar high tech crime syndicate made up of elite pokemon trainers and scientists) constantly tries to stop him.

Scumbag Hat Transformation - Ash Ketchum has the ability to transform himself into a super saiyan by turning his hat backwards in the middle of a fight. Once Ash Ketchum wears his hat backwards, his senses become keener, his attitude becomes darker, his adrenaline picks up, his muscles bulge, and his focus increases. This transformation means then that Ash Ketchup will have superior reflexes and focus compared to Nathan Adams

Scumbag Hat Buff: http://cdn.bulbagarden.net...

Comparable to Super Saiyan Buff: https://onetiealltie.files.wordpress.com...

Sensitive To Magic - Humans and pokemon in the pokemon universe have shown able to use magic and psychic powers; such as telekinesis, transformation, force fields, and the ability to read minds. Ash Ketchup has dabbled with magic before, and could conceivably teach or buff Pickachu with magic powers before the fight against Jibanyan.

Pokemon Master Determination & Theme Song - Ash wants to be "the very best," but "no one ever was..." Meaning Ash has superior mental fortitude, courage, and discipline compared to Nathan Adams, and will not be vulnerable to mind control.

Pokedex & Equipment Factor - Ash Ketchup is able to evaluate the strength and weaknesses of cartoon monsters by using his Pokedex. With this invaluable tool, he is able to plan and change tactics on the go. He also carries a backpack with all sorts of useful Batman tools and gadgets which may still “indirectly” aide Pickachu, even if Pikachu and Jibanyan are still not allowed to wield any items.

PowerPikachu21

Con

Now, let's see what abilities Jibanyan has.

Strength: Jibanyan's main method of attack is his Paws of Fury, which is strong enough to send Nate flying incredibly high. In the games, his Strength stat is 56 at level 60.

Durability: Jibanyan is incredibly durable, as he has been flattened, smacked with a giant club, and survived a fall likely arount 10 feet. These only stunned him for a few seconds at best. In the games, his HP is 208, and his Defense is 104 at level 60.

Agility: During his training on the highway, Jibanyan doesn't take very long to rush back to the intersection after getting sent a far distance by cars, and only took a few seconds to get there and try again. In the games, his Speed stat is 68 at level 60.

Abilities: Jibanyan can attack with weak fire spells, with his Spirit stat being 97. He can also Inspirit his opponents to slow down their movement with a paralyzing seal in the games. In the cartoon, the Inspirit takes people in front of incoming traffic, which there's none of in this arena, sadly.

Nate's assistance: Nate Adams can think rather quickly, and able to counter a few different Yo-kai with his plans. Though he does have his moments where he's not that smart. But Jibanyan can and does think for himself, and doesn't require instructions, but the help does exist.

Conclusion: Jibanyan is quite powerful when you think about it.

But now it's time for my rebuttals. What does Pikachu have over Jibanyan anyways?

Rebuttal:

Strength:

"Volt Tackle is considered by Screwattack to be one of the most insanely ferocious attacks ever observed by a Pokemon. In Pikachu vs. Blanka, Whiz and Boomstick described this attack as having close to one megaton worth of force, which of course is equivalent to one million tons of TNT and is what physicists use to measure the strength of atomic bombs."

1 Million TNT? What are you talking about? Pikachu doesn't have that sort of power, and I certainly don't remember ScrewAttack ever mentioning nukes or anything in that video.

Agility:

"Pikachu is one of the fastest pokemon in the pokemon universe and is able to fight and run at breathtaking speeds, often creating mirror images of himself while fighting. Overall he is nearly a million times faster than Jibanyan."

Sure, Pikachu is fast. But what's with you and the number 1 million? If only you could prove Pikachu could run at such a pace.

Durability:

"Pikachu is one of Ash's most durable pokemon, capable of going toe to toe with psuedo-legendary pokemon such as Metagross and Dragonite and even actual legendary pokemon such as Regice. He was also capable of fighting Tobias' powerful Latios to a draw, despite the fact that Electric type moves are not very effective against Dragon types."

That's roughly what Jibanyan can endure. No real flaws I can think of here.

Abilities:

"Leer – Broken, godly, cheating, and insanely OP, Leer is considered by pokemon fans and cartoon battle experts to be one of the most over-powered fighting abilities of all-time, comparable to using Goku’s Spirit Bomb or Superman’s X-Ray vision. With Leer, Pickachu has the admin like ability to lower the defenses of any opponent, meaning Pickachu pretty much wins this fight by default and by a score of no contest."

(Examines source 2.) I'm as confused as that Cubone. Why isn't he reacting if it's as destructive as Spirit Bomb? Besides, isn't leer supposed to be... scary? The word's defined as "look or gaze in an unpleasant, malicious, or lascivious way", so you're clearly making stuff up. Pikachu never actually learned this move, so no one's defense is getting lowered.

"Diplomacy -Pickachu is clearly considered the leader of Ash's pokemon, whereas he has often used charisma and diplomacy to inspire others and gain allies...
In Pickahu vs. Jibanyan then, it is not inconceivable that Pikachu could use his wits, diplomacy, and good looks again to convince Nathan Adams or Jibanyan to put aside differences and forfeit the fight."

He only gained "allies" from Ash's already caught pokemon, and neutral characters. Jibanyan's very determined anyways, so he wouldn't forfeit that easily. Besides, you have no sources of Pikachu recruiting anything anyways.

"Rock Star Popularity & Social Network– Pickaboo and Ash Ketchup are insanely popular in the pokemon universe... With the crowd on his side, we can expect Pickachu to have far greater stamina and morale in any public stadium fight against Jibaynan. We can also count on Ash and Pickachu to visit these Pokemon gyms and scientists ahead of time for invaluable extra training and leveling if given prep time."

Who said there weren't Yo-kai Watch fans in the crowd? Heck, in Yoink's episode of Yo-kai Watch, he stole Jibanyan's popularity and gave it to Whisper. Before, Whisper had no popularity, then various Yo-kai came for his autograph. Anyways, I guess Jibanyan also gets prep time. You don't need to fight rock snakes when you could fight a Yo-kai that can create objects out of nowhere (Whisper). But I don't see any real benefit to training other than a few stat boosts here and there.

"The Team Rocket Factor - Where ever there is Ash and Pikachu, Team Rocket is never far behind. And while the rules of this fight do not allow for any direct help by allies, they still do not disallow third party interference."

Wait, what? You never stated only allies weren't allowed. "2) Neither character can recieve backup. It will be only Pikachu and Jibanyan fighting." No backup can be recieved. You broke your own rule! Does it feel nice to lose via ignorance? Rule 10 stated you'd (risk) a loss by failing to follow the rules! So get rekt!

*ahem* Anyways, you did break a rule by requesting back up which was never allowed. I suggest the voters take this into account.

"Luck Comparable to Harry Potter - In Pokemon episode 1, Pikachu was presented to Ash Ketchup in a pokeball with the emblem of a lightning bolt, clearly indicating (like Harry Potter's famous scar) that he is the chosen one with a unique destiny, whereas he has repeatedly proven this time again by beating the odds against some of the most powerful pokemon ever."

Or, you know, Pikachu's a lightning mouse pokemon, therefore lightning. And Nate also had lucky times where something pops up to save the day when he could not, and he's an average kid (which is a running joke in the cartoon). So... what exactly does this mean?

"Cartoon Mouse Advantage - Pikachu is a cartoon mouse, whereas Jibanyan is clearly a cat, and the history of cartoon cat vs. cartoon mouse matchups shows that the mouse always wins."

I personally don't accept this argument, as you're taking a trope and using it as an argument. But I will do a bit of research to humour this... Alright. Nothing popped up that's interesting. But this doesn't mean anything. Jibanyan's stats are still superior.

Ash Ketchum:

"Super Human Durability - Ash Ketchum has superhuman durability and could be immortal. He has repeatedly been zapped, hosed, torched, blasted, water boarded, and chomped on, but has never yet suffered any lethal injuries...."

Therefore...? He's not battling, so this is irrelevant.

"Ridiculously Good Luck - Once again, Ash Ketchum has shown he is insanely lucky with superhuman instincts and durability, but more than that he always seems to win against impossible odds, even though Team Rocket (a billion dollar high tech crime syndicate made up of elite pokemon trainers and scientists) constantly tries to stop him."

Luck means little. And it's not that he's lucky, Team Rocket just sucks as their job.

"Scumbag Hat Transformation"

Again, he's not in the actual fight, just merely watching over and instructing his Pokemon. As far as I'm concered, this is irrelevant.

"Sensitive To Magic - Humans and pokemon in the pokemon universe have shown able to use magic"

And teach Pikachu magic? But Pikachu can't learn any water type attacks. Besides, how would Ash know how to use Scald or whatever?

Theme; What mind control?

Equipment and Pokedex; It's a Pokedex, not a Yo-kai Pad.
Debate Round No. 2
Strategery

Pro

Rebuttals:

Strength: Jibanyan's main method of attack is his Paws of Fury, which is strong enough to send Nate flying incredibly high.

First off, Paws of Fury is not Jibanyan's main move, in fact its his last resort Soltimate move, and it actually requires him to slowly fill up his soul meter first - meaning its way too slow to use against Pikachu.

But seriously, for a final smash move, I'm not too impressed:

https://www.youtube.com...

^Honestly, I've seen Bambi do more damage to my car then that!

Durability: Jibanyan is incredibly durable, as he has been flattened, smacked with a giant club, and survived a fall likely around 10 feet. These only stunned him for a few seconds at best.

OMG 10 feet! That's like really high! Come on man...

Meanwhile, Pikachu's been hit by lighting bolts, rock slides, lasers, hydro pumps, mega kicks, turtle shells, vine whips, and hyper beams while battling with gods and dragons and still managed to live.

Agility: During his training on the highway, Jibanyan doesn't take very long to rush back to the intersection after getting sent a far distance by cars, and only took a few seconds to get there and try again.

So if Jibanyan has such great agility, how does he still manage to get hit by cars in the first place?

Oh wait. I know! Its because he's short, stupid, clumsy, fat, slow, lazy, and incredibly terrible at looking both ways.

Honestly, Jibanyan really needs to lay off on the candy bars and learn how to dodge a slow moving amish tractor first if he is to ever have any real chance against Pikachu.

Abilities: Jibanyan can attack with weak fire spells, with his Spirit stat being 97. He can also Inspirit his opponents to slow down their movement with a paralyzing seal in the games. In the cartoon, the Inspirit takes people in front of incoming traffic, which there's none of in this arena, sadly.

As you've already pointed out, Jibanyan's fire spells are extremely weak. Meanwhile, there is no incoming traffic to use Inspirit to its full effect. Also, even if Jibanyan could slow down Pikachu (assuming he can because Jibanyan specials are so slow to even pull off), it won't slow Pikachu down by much, seeing as how Pikachu is already leaps and bounds faster then any fat cat known to man.

Nate's assistance: Nate Adams can think rather quickly, and able to counter a few different Yo-kai with his plans. Though he does have his moments where he's not that smart. But Jibanyan can and does think for himself, and doesn't require instructions, but the help does exist.

There are only three types of people in this world who get hit by cars:

1) those who forget to look both ways.

2) those who forget to check for stop signs.

3) and those who purposely don't look both ways or check for stop signs (aka squirrels, deer, and grandmas).

Neither of whom are actually very smart, and none of whom should be allowed to think for themselves.

1 Million TNT? What are you talking about? Pikachu doesn't have that sort of power, and I certainly don't remember ScrewAttack ever mentioning nukes or anything in that video.

From ScrewAttack:

"The Volt Tackle strikes with the force of a mouse-powered megaton warhead..." - Wiz

Source: http://deathbattle.wikia.com...

Sure, Pikachu is fast. But what's with you and the number 1 million?

Light moves at 300,000,000 meters per second, whereas Pikachu moves and attacks with the assistance of electricity. Do the math!

Pikachu's speed and attacks are a million times faster than Jibanyan.

Durability- That's roughly what Jibanyan can endure. No real flaws I can think of here.

There is no evidence that Jibanyan can withstand a megaton worth of force (volt tackle), a 100,000 volts of electricity (thunder), or a b*** slap with a bat made of virbanium alloy (iron tail). All of which > getting hit by a car.

Also Leer will lower any defenses Jibanyan might have had.

Leer – I'm as confused as that Cubone. Why isn't he reacting if it's as destructive as Spirit Bomb? Besides, isn't leer supposed to be... scary? The word's defined as "look or gaze in an unpleasant, malicious, or lascivious way", so you're clearly making stuff up. Pikachu never actually learned this move, so no one's defense is getting lowered.

Bulbapedia confirms that Ash's Pikachu used Leer in EP150 Hour of the Houndour.

Whereas in the games, Leer is often defined as: "A technique that lowers the target's Defense. Useful against tough, armored Pokemon."

Source: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...(move)

And whereas Leer in the games and in the show is an actual stat altering power (aka admin power), it is over-powered, broken, and borderline cheating (equivalent to Batman using kryptonite against Superman).

He only gained "allies" from Ash's already caught pokemon, and neutral characters. Jibanyan's very determined anyways, so he wouldn't forfeit that easily. Besides, you have no sources of Pikachu recruiting anything anyways.

I don't need to source this one because its common knowledge. Pikachu recruited Raichu's gang in Pikachu's vacation. He got the clones to stop fighting in Mewtwo Strikes Back by crying like a baby, he picked up chicks like Misty, May, and Dawn by destroying their bikes, he communicated a ceasefire with Zapdos by using electric morse code, and even managed to broker temporary alliances and smoke peace pipes with Meowth and Team Rocket when the situation called for it.

Meanwhile, Jibanyan is extremely lazy, apathetic, stubborn, unmotivated, independent, boring, and not very inclined to doing anything outside licking its own paws, eating candy bars, and not listening to others - just like a real cat. What makes you think then Jibanyan would be really pumped up for this fight and not open then to trickery or just being lazy?

Social Network - But I don't see any real benefit to training other than a few stat boosts here and there.

Then you'll concede then that Piakchu's wider social network (and access to pokemon gyms) gives him a greater advantage then Jibanyan when it comes to training and prep time.

Team Rocket - Wait, what? You never stated only allies weren't allowed. "2) Neither character can receive backup. It will be only Pikachu and Jibanyan fighting." No backup can be received.

Interference is not the same as backup. When two rival street gangs fight in a dark alley way and the police decide to break it up, its called interference. Neither side benefits from the third party intervening, whereas the police are coming after both sides.

Interference then is not against the rules. And even if it were, there is still an unwritten rule in Pokemon lore that says Team Rocket ALWAYS shows up.

And Nate also had lucky times...

How is getting paired up with a nerco zombie cat that is obsessed with getting hit by cars lucky?

Cartoon Mouse Advantage - But this doesn't mean anything. Jibanyan's stats are still superior.

You don't get it. No cartoon cat will ever defeat a cartoon mouse. Period.

This is a law of toon force -laws exclusive to cartoons that defy all laws of existence- and the law says that the mouse always wins.

Ash Ketchum -
He's not battling, so this is irrelevant.

So whats to stop the helpers from still coming under General sniping? Ash survives because he's immortal. Nathan Adams doesn't.

Luck means little. And it's not that he's lucky, Team Rocket just sucks as their job.

Get real. Luck is the most powerful force in the universe, and Ash has saved the world, beaten the odds, and survived the destruction of the universe many times over.

Scumbag Hat Transformation - As far as I'm concerned, this is irrelevant.

The increased focus and reflexes allows Ash to give better commands than Nathan Adams. Also its important to look cool if you want people to cheer for you.

And teach Pikachu magic?

Why not? Ash knows magic trainers.

Theme; What mind control?

Meaning you can't posses or mind control a Pokemon master.

It's a Pokedex, not a Yo-kai Pad.

Pretty sure its a tablet that still uses internet wifi. So your point is moot.

PowerPikachu21

Con

I would quickly like to remind the voters that Strategery is still requesting assistance from characters not stated in the resolution. I could include Rubeus J (A mega Yo-kai that destroys entire towns, and has an entire army), since Strategery loves Team Rocket. But I'll keep that away for now, since it's Pikachu vs Jibanyan, not including any back up, even if the back up isn't a friend.

And another reminder: This is my final round. As 8,000 characters isn't a whole lot, I won't go into detail if the arguments are irrelevant, or unsourced.

Strength:

Whether the Paws of Fury is charged or not depends on if we're referring to the cartoon or not. In the cartoon, Jibanyan goes right to the punching. And charging a Soultimate only takes up to 10 seconds or so.

And yes, Jibanyan isn't able to stop a charging car. But have you seen anything launch someone so high up you can't see them? Jibanyan's VS Battles wiki page agrees this is quite a feat (Wall level).

Durability:

Has Pikachu ever been squished? Like into a paper thin form? And him already being 2D doesn't count. Like I said, Pikachu and Jibanyan have pretty amazing durability.

Agility:

Attention does not equal speed. But I do admit Pikachu has much more incredible feats in terms of dodging.

Abilities:

Unlike Pokemon's paralysis status effect, an Inspiritment is a curse, and can only be purified by another Yo-kai (Please no bringing up more assistance, as we've already made it clear none can come), or by Nate. I don't imagine any medicine will help heal Pikachu from this.

Nate Adams:

You're right. Jibanyan could use help in coming up with strategies. That's where Nate comes in.

Strategery's Strategies:

Pikachu attacks:

"There is no evidence that Jibanyan can withstand a megaton worth of force (volt tackle), a 100,000 volts of electricity (thunder), or a b*** slap with a bat made of virbanium alloy (iron tail). All of which > getting hit by a car."

Considering what Jibanyan has been through with Terror Time's Gargaros (Whom can 1 shot an unprepared team), being flattened into a pancake twice now, I think he could take a lightning bolt. And where did you get "vibranium" anyways? Don't confuse Marvel with Pokemon. That's Iron Tail. Iron as in Gargaros's weapon. Did you even check my sources in the comments; namely the VS Battles page? Jibanyan would definitely take a few hits.

Leer:

Define Leer. A scary glare. Either way, we don't know if Jibanyan would even react to that face. If anything, he'd either just stare, or beat up Pikachu while his guard is down instead.

Allying with buds:

Hahaha. Alright, I'm done fake laughing. If you're not going to humour me with evidence, I'll say this: Pikachu would have a hard time recruiting anybody, as Pikachu, like the majority of other Pokemon, can only say its name. "Pika Pika" doesn't mean anything to us. And even if Ash is able to translate, it's not as effective.

And all that you said about Jibanyan being lazy... I have to agree completely. But in the off chance you do rub Jibanyan the wrong way... you're gonna be so sorry.

Prep Time:

Jibanyan could always get training from other Yo-kai I just remembered. Perhaps Venoct could give tips on battle. Also, Whisper basically changes reality when necessary, so he could get something to assist in preparing for electrical attacks.

Interference:

Again, this is Pikachu vs Jibanyan, not "Pikachu + [not friends] vs Jibanyan + [not friends]". Besides, Team Rocket can't actually capture Jibanyan. Ignoring the fact that they fail, Nate can just warp Jibanyan back with the Yo-kai Watch. And let's at least disallow Team Rocket to enter the battle, as capturing is far enough.

Oh! And you know how Team Rocket brings these giant robots? Prep Time would allow to manitpulate Team Rocket to make something similar to a truck, which Pikachu gets run over. And Jibanyan's anime inspiritment involves Jibanyan going inside of the victim, so Jibanyan's not visible, so they capture Pikachu so Pikachu can't fight, and Jibanyan wins by default. And the inspiritment would probably hinder Pikachu's ability to reason and listen, so he can't fight Team Rocket. So Jibanyan wins! :D

Back to other things that matter.

Luck is everything:

Nerco Zombie Cat? I think you mean a cat spirit that hangs around the house eating chocolate. Jibanyan's at least loyal, and A rank cute, so take it as you will. And uhh... Jibanyan isn't the yo-kai you should be referring to when it comes to unlucky companions.

But examples of Nate's luck is Sproink's episode, where an old guy fills the hot tub with lava, making it too hot for Sproink to bathe in.

Cat vs Mouse:

I don't care.

Ash enters battle:

No he can't. He can't actually attack because that results in Strategery's loss, as per the rules.

Misc:

Jibanyan is only weak against water attacks. Pikachu doesn't have any water type attacks, and where would Pikachu find a trainer that teaches any? And how would he go about actually performing said move?

There's no need for any mind control. And Ash isn't a Pokemon Master. I don't even know when he gets the title officially. He's been at it for over 20 years!

And prep time would allow for full research, so no need for on-the-spot analysis. So this point is quite moot.

In round 4, I'll merely state a conclusion, and my opinion on the happenings of this debate. And Strategery should not be allowed to make any new arguments or discoveries in Round 4, as I'm unable to respond to them.
Debate Round No. 3
Strategery

Pro

I would quickly like to remind the voters that Strategery is still requesting assistance from characters not stated in the resolution.

No, no, no. I'm not calling for any assistance or backup. Alls I'm saying is that in the event Jibanyan were to actually fight Pikachu, there is a good chance that Team Rocket would still crash the party. And when that happens, Ash and Pikachu would have the advantage because Nate and Jibanyan have never handled Team Rocket before and wouldn't know what to do.

And even if we could outlaw Team Rocket with debate rules, we still have the unwritten rule from Pokemon lore that says Team Rocket always shows up.

Whether the Paws of Fury is charged or not depends on if we're referring to the cartoon or not. In the cartoon, Jibanyan goes right to the punching. And charging a Soultimate only takes up to 10 seconds or so.

10 seconds!! Really? If light travels at 300,000,000 m/s then the electricity of Pikachu's electric attacks could travel across the Earth 75 times before Jibanyan is even ready.

Whether the Paws of Fury is charged or not depends on if we're referring to the cartoon or not.

Paws of Fury is still the weakest smash attack I've ever seen in my life, and this video from the show below proves it:

https://www.youtube.com...;

^Honestly, do you really expect Pikachu to die from tickles? And how do you even begin to explain Jibanyan's hurt paws at the end?

And yes, Jibanyan isn't able to stop a charging car. But have you seen anything launch someone so high up you can't see them?

Yes. Every single pokemon episode:
https://www.youtube.com...;

Has Pikachu ever been squished? Like into a paper thin form?

Worse. In his battle with Onix he was squeezed by a 30 ft rock snake (and obviously still managed to keep his bones from breaking): http://www.pokemopolis.com...

To put this feat into perspective, a smaller 11 ft anaconda squeezes prey with a force of 90 psi - which is the equivalent of having a 3000 lbs school bus put on your chest: https://mpora.com...

Attention does not equal speed.

No, but it does equal coordination. And being clumsy and clueless doesn't help anybody with agility.

But I do admit Pikachu has much more incredible feats in terms of dodging.

Then you'll concede that Pickachu is millions of times more agile than Jibanyan.

Unlike Pokemon's paralysis status effect, an Inspiritment is a curse, and can only be purified by another Yo-kai or by Nate. I don't imagine any medicine will help heal Pikachu from this.

There's no evidence that Inspiritment works on a Pokemon. Even so, Pikachu could easily sway Nate to change sides by playing to his timidity and by staring deep into his conscience with his tiny hurt irresistible pikaboo eyes: http://assets1.ignimgs.com...

And if all else fails. The first pikaboo movie has already established that Pikachu's tears have magical healing powers - such as when Pikachu's tears removed a stone curse put on Ash Ketchup: http://25.media.tumblr.com...

Jibanyan could use help in coming up with strategies. That's where Nate comes in.

Glad to see you've conceded that Jibanyan is partially brain dead and still needs help crossing the street.

Considering what Jibanyan has been through... being flattened into a pancake twice now, I think he could take a lightning bolt.

The whole point of durability is to withstand being crushed. Obviously Jibanyan's bones aren't very strong then if he's being flattened into a pancake.

And more besides the point, there is zero evidence that Jibanyan could withstand anything close to a megaton worth of force. You know, the kind of atomic bomb force from Volt Tackle that took down Regice - a legendary god pokemon: http://cdn.bulbagarden.net...

Did you even check my sources in the comments

No because they were in the comments.

Define Leer. A scary glare. Either way, we don't know if Jibanyan would even react to that face. If anything, he'd either just stare, or beat up Pikachu while his guard is down instead.

You still don't get it. Leer is a "stat-altering" power aka admin power. It doesn't matter what Jibanyan's reaction is, because it doesn't effect what moves and guards he can still do so much as it effects their effectiveness. This is the video game equivalent of taking an all-star quarterback in Madden Football and editing his throwing power to 0. He can still throw the football, but only for significantly less yards than anyone else on the team combined - including the kicker!

This is why stat-altering powers are so freaking OP, and why anyone with two brain cells to rub together will say its broken.

And all that you said about Jibanyan being lazy... I have to agree completely.

Thank you for agreeing completely that Jibanyan will not be prepared for this fight with Pikachu or take it seriously.

Oh! And you know how Team Rocket brings these giant robots?

As I showed in the first video earlier. Jibanyan has a terrible time with robots.

Nerco Zombie Cat? I think you mean a cat spirit that hangs around the house eating chocolate.

Glad to see you've admitted that Nate is being haunted by a fat, stupid, lazy cat spirit that hangs around his house doing nothing but eating chocolate bars and chasing cars - what fantastically great luck!

But examples of Nate's luck is Sproink's episode, where an old guy fills the hot tub with lava, making it too hot for Sproink to bathe in.

Please... How does this good luck even compare to the time that Ash Ketchup was riding on the back of a flaming unicorn?: https://images-cdn.9gag.com...

Mouse always wins: -I don't care.

That's good you don't care. The whole point of toon force after all is that it doesn't care for physical laws that should govern reality.

Such as that time Bugs Bunny cut loose the state of Florida:

https://www.youtube.com...

Ash enters battle:- No he can't. He can't actually attack because that results in Strategery's loss, as per the rules.

You misread what I said. Nate and Ash are not entering the battle - but they can still be shot at (unsportsmanlike like - but true). In which case, Nate gets electrocuted by Pikachu, but Ash manages to use his durability to tank hits from Jibanyan.

Pikachu doesn't have any water type attacks, and where would Pikachu find a trainer that teaches any? And how would he go about actually performing said move?

He could conceivably go to Saffron city and learn magic from some of the psychic trainers there, or he could go to a pokemon laboratory to have his genes altered to where he could learn any kind of attack. Not unlike what happened to Mew and Mewtwo.

Battle Tally:

1) Strength & Damage: Pikachu zaps Jimiyan with 100,000 volts of electricity at the speed of light. Each thunderbolt also carries the chance of paralysis. Should all else fail, Pikachu can use Volt Tackle or Leer which are godlike and OP.

2) Speed & Agility: Pikachu is too fast to be hit by a car. Jimiyan isn't fast enough.

3) Abilities: Pikachu is a cartoon mouse and among the luckiest fictional characters ever created (comparable to Harry Potter). Jimiyan, meanwhile is a funky old -and unlucky- pu$$y cat, and therefore sure to get hit by a bus. When you're lucky you can do anything, whereas no cartoon cat has ever defeated a cartoon mouse in combat (Toon Force).

4) Durability: Pikachu battles with dragons and wins. Jimiyan gets hit by trucks and then turns into a pancake.

5) Helper: Ash Ketchup has superhuman durability and could be immortal. He also has the ability to transform himself into a super saiyin by wearing his hat backwards - increasing his focus. Ash can also use magic and is insanely lucky. Furthermore, his pokemon master determination prevents him from being mind-controlled or loosing his cool.
PowerPikachu21

Con

Strategery dropped my argument on how Nate could get Team Rocket to capture Pikachu, Pikachu isn't able to battle, and Jibanyan would win by default.

So it's up to the voters now. As agreed, I can't make any new arguments. But this is an interesting battle, even without everything Pro brought up. One more thing: When voting, please treat this as a real debate, since it (kind of) is.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by PowerPikachu21 1 year ago
PowerPikachu21
No one voted again. I guess Pikachu would win, though not for half the things you said. (But someone could say Jibanyan's invisible, since he's a Yo-kai. But that's a bit unfair to me.)
Posted by PowerPikachu21 1 year ago
PowerPikachu21
Here's my sources for Jibanyan:

In-game stats: http://yokaiwatch.wikia.com...
VS Battles wiki page: http://vsbattles.wikia.com...

I suggest Strategery be wise with how much he says in Round 3, as I ran out of character limit near the end.
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