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grotto77
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Max.Wallace
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Removal of Putin from power is inevitable

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grotto77
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/10/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
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grotto77

Pro

Russia under Putin's regime provoked a conflict in Ukraine, when Ukrainian citizens overthrown pro-Kremlin puppet government. Pretty much like in 2008 in Georgia, Russia supported pro-Russian rebels by contributing arms and manpower. They're trying to destabilize the region so Russian army can invade to "protect the Russian speakers" while in fact they will subdue the country militarily. Current Russia is a security threat to Europe and Euro-American assets of Western Economy. Putin must be stopped and replaced by political representation that will not bring the world into a global war. Since Putin controls everything in Russia and fearlessly destroys effective opposition, west will have to come up with the plan and execution.
Max.Wallace

Con

You win, the comments hit me on the chin, KNOCKOUT for the establishment!
Debate Round No. 1
grotto77

Pro

In the comment, you wrote "Servants to the war mongers status quo, that is what every great nation of tyranny wishes more of, whether a democracy or a dictatorship." Can you elaborate/explain?
Max.Wallace

Con

You can't see that with your own eyes? All superpowers are super tyrannical. That is a plain fact. Common sense in a nutshell. Most superpowers enforce their common sense with shells, of explosives. Which superpower are you for? Are you your the nuts, or spillin guts?
Debate Round No. 2
grotto77

Pro

I get your point, but what are you trying to say. It's 2014. The bigger dog eating smaller dog is no longer acceptable. Russians are trying to convince the world that this is actually a clash of super powers. There sure is a political aspect of it, but the point is Ukraine is an independent and sovereign country with protection of borders under international law. Ukraine do not belong to Russia, and if Ukrainian people said enough of Russian puppet regimes, corruption and interference, it's their rightful choice they are entitled to exercise. In order to fit my point into your optics, it appears that majority of Ukrainians do want to belong to a family of another superpower, while the one that has boot on their neck doesn't want to let go. So what is your stand 1) let it work out by itself - the stronger powers win? 2) support Ukrainian cause - to be independent on Moscow and pursuit their own political goals as Eu and perhaps NATO? 3) Consider Ukraine a Russian field of interest and let them do whatever they please with it?
Max.Wallace

Con

I believe we should not interfere. Let the snake stick out its head to far, then cut it off. They are playing us as the snake. Thanks for bearing with me. ROOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Max.Wallace 2 years ago
Max.Wallace
Why the name change proudy pants?
Posted by Max.Wallace 3 years ago
Max.Wallace
someone is slippin into my comments like a snake.

I reitterate, Are you for the nut shells, or the bombshells? Nuts are far better then bombers in my pea brain.
Posted by Max.Wallace 3 years ago
Max.Wallace
You can't see that with your own eyes?
Posted by Max.Wallace 3 years ago
Max.Wallace
Servants to the war mongers status quo, that is what every great nation of tyranny wishes more of, whether a democracy or a dictatorship.
Posted by Max.Wallace 3 years ago
Max.Wallace
The fact is that the reason we support these "soverign nations", is so they will join as servants to our establishment.
Posted by Max.Wallace 3 years ago
Max.Wallace
The voters will decide. If you quit you should lose.
Posted by grotto77 3 years ago
grotto77
Well, it's meant like - should Putin's regime be destroyed? Obviously, removing Putin alone doesn't remove the problem, and most certainly doesn't solve the future for either Europe or Russia ... But since the Russian establishment can really be now referred to as Putin's reign, can we focus on what should be done about it - as far as we are able to agree that Putin is a threat to sovereign nations, stability in Europe and also a notable threat to global stability. Not to mention he violates international law and human rights in alarming extent.
Posted by cheyennebodie 3 years ago
cheyennebodie
Hitler was overthrown, but not without great cost. But I believe that Israel will do it with great cost just to Russia.
Posted by numberwang 3 years ago
numberwang
What a stupid resolution, obviously he won't reign forever. He will die or retire at a certain point, this is literally impossible to argue against.
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Vote Placed by FaustianJustice 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: .... I am not sure at all what Max awas going for.
Vote Placed by bladerunner060 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con never actually made any sort of coherent case to negate Pro's arguments. As always, happy to clarify this RFD.
Vote Placed by lannan13 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: concession round 1.