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Resolved: A just government should provide health care to its citizens.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/18/2013 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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I am happy to accept this topic and look forward to my first debate. Thank you for the opportunity.
Debate Round No. 1


Kwhite7298 forfeited this round.


Well first off, I'd like to start by defining government and healthcare. (1)
: the act or process of governing; specifically : authoritative direction or control
2obsolete : moral conduct or behavior : discretion
3a : the office, authority, or function of governing
b obsolete : the term during which a governing official holds office
4:the continuous exercise of authority over and the performance of functions for a political unit : rule
5a : the organization, machinery, or agency through which a political unit exercises authority and performs functions and which is usually classified according to the distribution of power within it
b : the complex of political institutions, laws, and customs through which the function of governing is carried out
6: the body of persons that constitutes the governing authority of a political unit or organization: as
a : the officials comprising the governing body of a political unit and constituting the organization as an active agency
b capitalized : the executive branch of the United States federal government
c capitalized : a small group of persons holding simultaneously the principal political executive offices of a nation or other political unit and being responsible for the direction and supervision of public affairs: : such a group in a parliamentary system constituted by the cabinet or by the ministry: administration 4b

Healthcare: efforts made to maintain or restore health especially by trained and licensed professionals "usually hyphenated when used attributively.

Fist, I would like to start by saying that nowhere in the definition of government does it say it's the government's job to provide for healthcare. I would also like to point out that governments throughout history have never been entirely responsible for the healthcare of it's citizens. Healthcare should be left to the private market. Keeping government in charge of healthcare would cost up to half a trillion dollars of taxpayer dollars (2). I would aslo like to point out from Forbes that according to their statistic, one in four patients come under some form of harm on their visit to the doctor. If healthcare was kept in the hands of the private market, it would cost less taxpayer dollars and because of natural competition, there would be a higher degree of care. Vote Con.

Debate Round No. 2


As this debate was not supposed to be acceptable, please do not vote on it. Thanks!


As Pro stated, if someone posted in the comments, it could be debatable. I did so, therefore, I complied with his terms.
Debate Round No. 3


"This debate is currently not acceptable. Comment here or PM me in order to let me know you are serious about this. This is a series of debates that I am going to be starting in order to further my skills in this form of debate before competing next year. "

I did not say that posting in comments allows you to accept this debate. I said that if you wish to accept, you should comment or PM me. The link between commenting and accepting the debate was to be set by me and me only, and accepting this debate was not fair.

If you would like to debate this resolution later I would be glad to but unfortunately I do not have the time right now to do such a thing. Additionally, if you would prefer the pro side instead of con or would rather stick to con please let me know. I would be glad to have a debate with you but not right now.



Well if you didn't have the time, you shouldn't have started the debate, and you should allow people to message you. Also, if you didn't want people to accept it, you should have put restrictions on who could accept.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Juris_Naturalis 4 years ago
I would like to accept.
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Reasons for voting decision: Kind of a fail debate... Con did not obey the posted word count rule, and accepted the debate without authorization; pro forfeited a round, and set an odd rule about conduct not reflecting conduct. I do wonder what the actual limitations on accepting the debate were.