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The_brick
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the-mad-ones
Pro (for)
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Resolved: Abortion should be made illegal in the US.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/22/2008 Category: Health
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 1,948 times Debate No: 3746
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The_brick

Con

say that it should be legal because people are going to do it anyway - is it not worth saving many more lives (the lives of the mothers) than letting them die getting back-alley abortions?

What do you people think? Remember, this isn't about whether abortion is right or wrong (there are more than enough of those already) - this is about whether it should be legal or not.

6 reasons to vote NEG

Government gets to control a woman's body.

By making abortion illegal, you're introducing a slippery slope that gives government control over a woman's body. You're taking away a personal freedom. Who knows what other controls the government may legislate in the future. Will it have the power to force sterilization? Will it have the power to make motherhood mandatory? Will it next take away the right to use other birth control methods such as The Pill?

"Back alley" abortions would increase if it were made illegal, leading to increased risk of young women dying or becoming sterile.

Regardless of what laws are in place, there will always be young women out there who want to have an abortion. They may not want to face the wrath of their parents, the embarrassment at school, or the lifetime responsibility of motherhood. If we criminalize abortion, many woman will simply look for other ways to get rid of the child. They could starve themselves or seek unlicensed "back alley" abortions. So instead of getting an abortion in a controlled environment where there is one last chance for counseling on options, women may subject themselves to a potentially dangerous situation. These type of methods often lead to sterility or other harm, even death.

It's arguably better for society to have babies aborted than have them be brought up poor and neglected, where not only will the child suffer but society when that child develops a higher attraction to crime, welfare, etc.

This is probably a controversial point but it has to be said. Without legalized abortion, a lot more women will become parents whether or not they want to be and whether or not they're ready to be. Raising a child properly is a full-time labor intensive process. The children who are neglected or abused are usually the ones that grow up to be drug addicts, lifelong government aid recipients, and criminals. Do we want to subject the child to such misery? Do we want to saddle society with the added burden? Some people say, "What if Abe Lincoln's mom had an abortion?". You could also ask, "What if Adolf Hitler's or Saddam Hussein's mom had an abortion?"

One brief mistake can take away a woman's childhood and trap her for life.

We all make mistakes in our life, especially when we are young. The pressure to have sex at an early age is fierce in today's society. Even a girl who lives a good, responsible life can have one slip up. But that one slip-up can take away all her life plans and trap her. She may have planned to go to medical school, train for the Olympics, travel the world, or just have fun while she's still young. All this can be thrown down the drain with one brief mistake. We shouldn't penalize someone for life.

Giving up a child for adoption can be just as emotionally damaging as having an abortion.

Women develop an emotional bond with a child when they carry it through the full term and go through the experience of delivery. Giving up that child for adoption might be the only reasonable option for a young girl too immature or poor to raise a kid. However, the women now has to live with a feeling of abandoning their child for the rest of her life. Why do you think so many adoptive parents seek out their kids when they're grown? There's no doubt that some women suffer psychological damage from having an abortion; however, the damage done from giving a child up for adoption is much worse.

Abortion is not murder because it is performed before a fetus has developed into a human person.

A fetus doesn't become a real human being until it is physically delivered from a mother's womb. If you define a fetus as a human, are you going to go back and say a sperm or egg is a human? Should we ban birth control altogether then since we'd be killing a "human"?
the-mad-ones

Pro

To be clear, my opponent specifically states the following:
"Remember, this isn't about whether abortion is right or wrong (there are more than enough of those already) - this is about whether it should be legal or not."

With this mandate in mind, I begin my refutation. I've taken pieces of or summaries of each of my opponents points (contained in quotes), and responded to them in order of appearance (comments following >>).

1) "People will do it anyway"
>>People break laws all the time. This doesn't mean those laws shouldn't exist. This is akin to saying "People will commit murders, regardless of legality, so why make murders illegal?" Laws exist in order to provide rules/guidelines, maintain society, and protect society's members.

2) "Government gets to control a woman's body. "
>>Governments all over the world control their respective citizens' bodies. This includes the US, which considers attempted suicide illegal. China has a limit on the number of children families can produce. The US also prevents people from purchasing harmful drugs for personal use. These are just a few examples of 'body control'. Precedent has been set already.

3) '"Back alley" abortions and other harmful actions (starvation, etc)'
>>Once again, what does this have to do with whether abortion should be illegal? People purchase harmful drugs through the black market, because distribution and purchase are illegal. This doesn't mean sale of heroine should be legalized. If an action is considered to be harmful to members of society, or if it threatens the stability of society, then it makes sense for government to ban that action.

4) 'It's arguably better for society to have babies aborted than have them be brought up poor and neglected'
>>My opponent specifically stated that we were not to argue whether abortion was 'right' or 'wrong'. Then he made the above statement, which is an argument supporting abortion. I will still debate it, but that should be on the record.
>>It may be better for babies to be aborted rather than to experience a poor childhood. It may also be better for babies to be aborted rather than to experience an abusive childhood, or a developmentally challenged childhood, or an overly wealthy childhood. This doesn't mean that every child born outside of 'normal' circumstances should be aborted. The government has the responsibility to attempt to ensure that society's members live safe and stable lives. So perhaps the government is failing to do that by allowing children to grow up neglected. This doesn't change the fact that abortion should be illegal if it is in fact 'wrong'.

5) 'Without legalized abortion, a lot more women will become parents whether or not they want to be and whether or not they're ready to be.'
>>The government should be responsible for attempting to ensure that these children and their mothers lead relatively stable and safe lives. If the government fails in that aspect, then it should take measures to improve, but this doesn't change the fact that abortion should be illegal if it is wrong. In addition that Lincoln/Hussein argument is a ridiculous point. My opponent has no proof that any of these people's mothers WANTED an abortion. In addition, this is ANOTHER argument attempting to prove why abortion is right. This, once again conflicts with his original statement, that we are not arguing whether abortion is right or wrong.

6) The 'ruined life' and 'emotional bond' arguments all attempt to prove that abortion is RIGHT. Once again, conflicts with my opponent's original mandate.

7) 'Abortion is not murder'
>> Ok, well at least this one argues why abortion may not be 'not wrong'. It doesn't really matter what my opponent assumes with regards to whether abortion is murder. Abortion, unless it is for the benefit of a woman's body (She will die if the procedure is not performed), could be construed as a damaging of that woman's body. If so, then precedent has been set. Attempting suicide and purchasing illegal drugs are both considered illegal. If damaging one's own body due to personal preferences has a negative impact on society, then that action should be considered illegal. If abortion IS indeed murder (a matter of opinion/interpretation), then it should DEFINITELY be illegal.
Debate Round No. 1
The_brick

Con

The_brick forfeited this round.
the-mad-ones

Pro

No need to spend time posting anything new until my opponent posts something new, considering he started the debate.
Debate Round No. 2
The_brick

Con

The_brick forfeited this round.
the-mad-ones

Pro

Another non-finisher it seems.

Con plagiarized his material, and then could not finish his debate.

Vote pro.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Issa 9 years ago
Issa
oh ma gosh you could have at least changed it up a bit lol
Posted by dweyand07 9 years ago
dweyand07
jeeze, it is word for word.

Have you ever learned anything from doing the english research paper? If going to take something from other people work, always CITED it.
Posted by Pluto2493 9 years ago
Pluto2493
haha, funny thing is, I looked that up not an hour before that comment for a school project.
Posted by Bitz 9 years ago
Bitz
Oh wow, Pluto good find.

http://balancedpolitics.org...

WORD FOR FREAKIN WORD

Props to you The_Brick, for successfully demonstrating your ability to copy&Paste.
Posted by Pluto2493 9 years ago
Pluto2493
If your going to steal your stuff from balancedpolitics.org, at least give it some credit.
Posted by Bitz 9 years ago
Bitz
I think a more appropriate resolution would be "Abortion should be illegal in the majority of cases" but hey, thats just me.
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