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Resolved: Affirmative action should be practiced in college admissions.

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Started: 3/2/2009 Category: Entertainment
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LakevilleNorthJT

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I affirm that affirmative action should be practiced in college admission.

1. A Report of the National Task Force on Minority High Achievement explains that, "The most important educational challenge for the United States is to eliminate, once and for all, the large educational achievement gaps among the nation's racial and ethnic groups. This is a moral and pragmatic imperative. Unless this is done, it will be virtually impossible to integrate our society's institutions completely, especially at leadership levels. " The only way that this gap between racial and ethnic groups can be eliminated is via affirmative action.

2. The Report, gives six reasons that affirmative action is necessary.

a. Racial inequalities in academic achievement contribute to racial inequalities in occupational opportunities and achievements.

b. Black, Latino and Native Americans now are nearly one-third and by 2030 will be over two-fifths of the U.S. population under age 18.

c. Racial differences in academic achievement can become an increasing source of social conflict.

d. Without great Black, Latino and Native American academic progress, the institutions of our society and their leadership cannot be fully integrated.

e. Nor can we draw on the full range of talents in our population.

f. Therefore, the elimination of racial inequalities in academic achievement is a moral and pragmatic imperative.

3. The third reason affirmative action in college admission is necessary is because it is the only way to counteract educational disadvatages. Since minorities are empirically poorer and given less chances to succed, it is imperative to give them a greater ability to get into college via affirmative action.
TombLikeBomb

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Reason #3 contradicts itself and the other two. Phrases like "only way", "cannot…without", and "imperative" are all cancelled by "empirically poorer". If racial disadvantages stem from economic disadvantages, as you suggest, then affirmative action is neither the only way nor the best way. Indeed, "controlling for wealth causes the disparities in four-year college attendance associated with race to disappear", says this recent Berkeley study: http://cshe.berkeley.edu....

I share your concern for the source of "social conflict" that "racial differences in academic achievement" might be. Nowhere is this potential greater than in a poor white applicant being refused in favor of a rich black applicant who went to a better school and has lower SAT scores. There is certainly potential for anger when one loses to a less qualified person on the basis of race. It seems there would be a superlative potential for anger if the person to whom he lost had both lesser qualifications and greater opportunity to obtain them.

Unlike socioeconomic counter-discrimination, affirmative action is illegal and even unconstitutional in many countries and states. In the U.S., it is basically illegal to have an efficient affirmative action policy. So said the Supreme Court in Gratz v. Bollinger (http://www.supremecourtus.gov...), in which giving points based on race and ethnicity was determined to be unconstitutional. Racial quotas were struck down in 1978 (http://www.enfacto.com...) and repeatedly thereafter, most recently in 2007 (http://www.law.cornell.edu...). Essentially, "preordained values" are prohibited. But preordained values are the preferred method of evaluating ANY attribute (3.0 GPA, legacy, etc.), as the "holistic", "individual" approach is too laborious when you're dealing with any large number of applicants. Consequently, holistic evaluations are confined to filling the last seats at a college, by which time many minorities and poor whites have already been ruled out.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Instead of trying to equalize the races by sending minorities to colleges they aren't ready for, why not prepare them for those colleges by removing the early "educational disadvantages"? The U.S. is a signatory to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, among which is a substantial right to education (http://www.un.org...). Equality in school funding would seem to satisfy it without resorting to a violation of the XIV Amendment (http://www.archives.gov...), as would policies for the reduction of tuitions for the poor.
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