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Resolved: Current Income Disparities Threaten Democratic Ideals

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Started: 12/3/2011 Category: Economics
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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This Debate will be run like a regular PF Debate (with the exceptions of cross fire) 1st speech, 2nd speech, summary and lastly, Final Focus. In this debate we will look at 3 main points of democracy being threatened Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. My job as Con will be to show that these points are not being threatened while Pro must show how they are. Thank you to whom ever accepts this and lets have fun and learn something!

Inside the Declaration of Independence it states that we have have 3 main Democratic rights (that are Ideals) that we live by in our normal life day by day. These being Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. I will now take you in even deeper to show you the true meaning of these democratic Ideas that ARE NOT being threatened.
Contention 1: Life is not being undermined and believe it or not is not a true Democratic Idea. A Democratic Ideal "is a rhetorical phrase used to denote either personal qualities or standards of government behavior that are felt to be essential for the continuation of a democratic policy." As you can see it states DEMOCRATIC POLICY in the quote, which goes to say it exists only in a democracy, but life is a right given the everyone even in any form of government, so Life is not a "True" Ideal that is being threatened.
Contention 2: Liberty can not and will not be ever taken from us. If we look to what Liberty is it is Freedom and in the Bill of Right it includes freedoms that we have and will forever have.

on that site we see freedoms like "Freedom of Speech" which we are currently seeing in real life today with the Occupy Wall Street Protesters. If our Liberty is being undermined then why do we still have protesters like this still going on. The truth is disparities DO NOT harm/Threaten democratic Ideals
Contention 3: Pursuit of happiness is why many people come to America in the first place, they come for the American Dream, to Pursue Happiness. If this Ideal was being undermined, why do people still come to America for that reason? Another Reason, Happiness is defined as "the quality or state of being happy". As the old saying goes "Money doesn't buy Happiness" so Income Disparities do not effect Peoples happiness. People do not need to be rich to be happy, all they need is love sometimes or their family, So Income Disparities do not harm/ Threaten Democratic ideals.
I thank you for your time and look forward to hearing(reading) your speech!


I would like to open with with a few quotes

"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defianceto the laws of our country." : Thomas Jefferson

�€œRepresentative government is artifice, a political myth, designed to conceal from the masses the dominance of a self-selected, self-perpetuating, and self-serving traditional ruling class.�€�
�€• Giuseppe Prezzolini

We're not a democracy. It's a terrible misunderstanding and a slander to the idea of democracy to call us that. In reality, we're a plutocracy: a government by the wealthy." : Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

Thomas Jefferson

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Woodrow Wilson (speaking of his collusion in the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank of America in 1913)

"Allow me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who writes the laws."

Mayer Amschel Rothschild (banker extraordinaire and war-bankroller)

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips

Contention 1: The idea of a democracy is by definition "A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.". Thus it is reasonable to conclude that what the majority wants is what will generally be provided. However this is not the case. The Supreme court ruled in Buckly vs Valeo that money is speech. With that being said speech is protected by the first amendment. When a small of wealthy individuals are able to buy seats in the government it is no longer the government of the people.

Contention 2: If wealth is speech then 70% of the speech in the united states is owned by the top 5 % percentile. This gap in wealth shows how much potential influence that the top earners can hold on elections. For elected officials will be quite interested in tending to the wants of their top campaign contributors.

Contention 3: Be weary of being hoodwinked out of your liberties. It must be said although it may be hard to imagine, liberties can be taken away from you. Though it will not be obvious. Restrictions on the right to assemble, speech and press have all been diminishing at the hands of the wealthy bullying others to protect their public image or to keep their profits. Examples would include Monsanto's selling of Bovine somatotropin (a cow hormone to increase milk output). Bovine somatotropin was a iffy hormone still under research for possible side effects, but since Monosanto's already invested all this money in the production of this hormone and circulation of it. Monosantos paid off people to keep quiet about any negative effect of this hormone. I leave it to the rest of this video to explain the rest of the story.
Other freedoms such as Speech are being undermined by excessive force for example take the students at UC Davis whom were peacefully protesting the rise of tuition costs. Then cops use pepper spray to remove the students. The police later reported that pepper spray was used to ensure the safety of the protesters and the people around, which in fact it was already a very peaceful protest in which the only danger was the repression of these students rights to peaceful assembly.

4) Money doesn't talk, it swears. If money is speech, and speech is owned by the few. Then it must be said that the government is working for the few and not the majority. Which is the opposite of a democracy. Thus it must be said that the government is servicing the few at the expense of the many because the few can provide what elected officials need to win an election, Money.
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Posted by OldIronGuts 4 years ago
I have a nasty habit of writing these things up in the last hour before it's due, i'll be sure to write a more comprehensive view in the following rounds.
Posted by Reid 4 years ago
Pro better debate this, I want to see a good argument!
Posted by vmpire321 4 years ago
o.0? PRO gonna forfeit?
Posted by Reid 4 years ago
I would so argue this, but I have three others going on. Good luck to whoever accepts it. By the way, a tip for the neg side, develop a better case. I have never argued this topic, but I have seen it before, and based on your case, there is a huge flaw which I will discuss with you when I vote for a side unless the pro side does see it. However, I am keeping an open mind towards this debate and can't wait to see what the future holds.
Posted by 16kadams 4 years ago
agreed income disparities is because of the liberal support of welfare and claiming that we owe the poor crap and lets let them feed of of society then be working individuals. And it doesn't affect democracy because that is what democracy is about, success=reward, effort sometimes=reward, failure and laziness=fail! I DO not owe the poor anything! REPEAL WELFARE AND THEN THE POOR WILL BECOME SELF SUFFICIENT! The poor dont threaten us because democratic ideals dont say that we need to interfere with people that are poor.

wanna hear what I really think lol
Posted by Emin3mShow24 4 years ago
I know it seems to be a big topic, just because it's the high school resolution this month. Thats why im doing this... for practice
Posted by vmpire321 4 years ago

I want to take this, but i'm already in several debates about this topic!
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