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imabench
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agamattnon
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Resolved: Frozen 2 will likely be better than the original Frozen

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imabench
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/19/2014 Category: Movies
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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imabench

Pro

1) By accepting, you agree that Frozen 2 is being produced. You cannot argue that it wont be better than Frozen 1 since its not going to be made. http://screenrant.com...

2) Better is defined as "Will be better reviewed and/or will gross more money", meaning that con will argue that Frozen 2 will NOT be as critically acclaimed or gross as much money as Frozen 1 did.

3) Whoever accepts, beware..... I know my sh*t when it comes to Frozen.

4) The 'Frozen' movie I am referring to is the mega-hit Disney movie that was released in 2013, not the horror movie Frozen released in 2010 that nobody knows about. Dont try to pull that on me. Like I said, I know my sh*t when it comes to Frozen

4 rounds, 4,000 characters, First round acceptance only.
Debate Round No. 1
imabench

Pro

Reasons why Frozen 2 will do better than Frozen

1) More movie theaters will be in operation when the sequel is released

More and more movie theaters are being built, not being torn down, meaning that the potential amount of money that movies can gross is only increasing since more movie theaters are being made. This gives Frozen 2 a natural advantage over Frozen 1, since more movie theaters being in existence allows Frozen 2 to more easily gross more money than Frozen 1 did.


2) Sequels regularly gross more money than the originals.

Iron Man, as amazing as a movie as it was, cannot even hold a candle to Iron Man 2, which was a bit of a downgrade story-wise yet still raked in the cash. The same also happened for Captain America and Thor, and the same will likely happen for the Avengers, despite setting the ball very high at $1.5 Billion. Even more animated films see a similar trend, with Toy Story and How to Train Your Dragon seeing sequels make more money than the originals, along with Monsters Inc and Despicable Me, and the same will likely happen with Finding Dory and The Incredibles 2.

Sequels just make more money, and a sequel to FROZEN? They'll probably make $10 Million off of me seeing it alone. A sequel to Frozen would easily be the most anticipated sequel made in at least a decade, and it would be poised to break box-office records when it is released.


3) Storyline

The first Frozen was an adventure film, but a sequel opens up many other doors as a possible storyline. We could learn how Elsa got her powers, what Hans's other brothers are like (there are 12 of them after all), we could maybe even see a crossover since Rapunzel and Eugene from Tangled appeared in the movie. You could also maybe see Anna and Kristoff get married, or, what im hoping for, Elsa gaining her own significant other. The plot potential for Frozen 2 already has huge leverage over what the plot was for Frozen 1, which could be summarized as an adventure that ends with a huge plot twist but also a happily-ever after.

The possible plotline for Frozen 2 allows for it to be an improvement over Frozen 1, which compounded with all the other factors that will give it a box-office edge strongly suggests that Frozen 2 will be better than Frozen 1


4) Lack of competition in theaters.

When Frozen came out, it had to compete with the Hunger Games in movie theaters since both were released around the same time, meaning that Frozen lost a substantial amount of money that it could have made to people who wanted to go see Hunger Games instead. If a Frozen Sequel comes out though, no studio in America would want to be releasing films to go up against it, since movie studios regularly try to release movies at times when there isn't much competition in the box-office in order to maximize the amount of money their movies could make, and releasing a movie at the same time Frozen 2 comes out would be suicidal.

This means that other companies would steer clear of releasing major movies around Frozen 2's release date, which would only allow Frozen 2 to make that much more of a killing in the box-office than the first Frozen did.
agamattnon

Con

agamattnon forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
imabench

Pro

you whore...
agamattnon

Con

F you!!!! I was busy
anyways....

1.) I don't think that frozen 2 will make more money ,
We all do not know if frozen 2 is going to be stupendous maybe its plot will become lame thus, the majority of the people will dislike the movie .

2.) "Sequels just make more money, and a sequel to FROZEN? They'll probably make $10 Million off of me seeing it alone. A sequel to Frozen would easily be the most anticipated sequel made in at least a decade, and it would be poised to break box-office records when it is released. " hmmmm..... What if another movie was released example: The hunger games: mocking jay ? Do you think frozen will make more money? I don't think so because many people are already excited to watch "The hunger games"

3.) What if in frozen 2 , olaf died and kristoff also died do you think people are still going to like the movie? What if in frozen 2 less singing and more crying do you think people will love it?

4.)There are still many more movies that are better than frozen .http://whatculture.com...
Debate Round No. 3
imabench

Pro

"We all do not know if frozen 2 is going to be stupendous maybe its plot will become lame thus, the majority of the people will dislike the movie ."

This is DISNEY we are talking about, not some 2-bit M Night Shyamalan movie. I literally mentioned four possible plots that Frozen 2 could revolve around, im sure Disney would be able to come up with a plot for Frozen 2 since there are so many directions that they could go with the Universe that Frozen takes place in.



" hmmmm..... What if another movie was released example: The hunger games: mocking jay ?"

I already argued that studio's would avoid releasing movies at the same time as Frozen 2 so that they dont lose money, and since Frozen has grossed more money than any other Hunger Games movie, or literally almost ANY other movie, its an extremely safe bet that no other studio would release a major movie at the same time Frozen 2 came out to avoid losing money.

http://en.wikipedia.org...


"What if in frozen 2 , olaf died and kristoff also died do you think people are still going to like the movie? What if in frozen 2 less singing and more crying do you think people will love it?"

Were you dropped on your head as a baby by any chance? This is a DISNEY MOVIE we are talking about, not a George R.R. Martin production. Olaf and Kristoff wouldnt both be killed off since a sequel to Frozen would very likely be extremely similar in theme to the first Frozen movie, since the themes in the first Frozen movie is what allowed it to make more money than any Iron Man movie ever made.



"There are still many more movies that are better than frozen"

Your own 'source' can only come up with stupendously bad arguments like 'Rapunzel Is More Likable Than Anna Or Elsa', 'Tangled Is Progressive Without Being All IN-YOUR-FACE About It', and 'The Villains Are Better In Tangled'..... To claim that Tangled is somehow better than Frozen, even though it didnt even make HALF the money that Frozen did (despite having almost twice the cost), shows that your source is nothing more than a crappy opinion-piece

Also, in case you forgot to read the title of the debate, the resolution is 'Resolved, Frozen 2 will likely be better than the original Frozen'.... So by providing a source saying that Frozen allegedly wasnt that good, you are only making my case better.



To summarize this train-wreck of a debate:

1 - The Sequel naturally makes more money than the original, as evidenced by Monsters, Despicable Me, Toy Story, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Shrek, etc. Therefore, Frozen 2 will likely make more than Frozen 1

2 - More movie theaters will have been built by the time Frozen 2 comes out, making it even more likely it will gross as much, then more money, as the original did

3 - Plot wise, there are so many different directions that could be what Frozen 2 is focused on that it will certainly be able to at leats be as good as the first Frozen

4 - Now that Frozen has established itself as a box-office-blockbuster of a franchise, no studio in America would want to release major productions at the same time as Frozen 2 comes out, otherwise they would surely lose a crapload of money, which movie studio's usually dont want to do. The first Frozen had significant box-office competition against the Hunger Games, an already established franchise, and now that Frozen is a force to be reckoned with, and even more so than The Hunger Games itself, the odds of Frozen 2 having significant competition in movie theaters is extremely low.

5 - Half of Con's 'arguments' are simple 'what-if' scenarios that are likely to not happen since anyone who has any idea of what Disney Movies are even like, particularly musicals involving princesses, knows that their plots arent 'lame' or full of tragic events rather then happy ones.

6 - Con's las argument was that Frozen itself wasnt a good film, meaning that a sequel could easily be better than the original.
agamattnon

Con

agamattnon forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Xerge 2 years ago
Xerge
Disney does not have a good track record when it comes to sequels, I'm afraid
Posted by BLAHthedebator 2 years ago
BLAHthedebator
Honestly, there is literally no way to be on the con side.

I bow to you.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con forfeited two rounds and Pro presented a more in-depth case.
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Reasons for voting decision: FF. con made terrible S&G mistakes - all the time. Also, pro made strong arguments and refuted con adequately, while con did the opposite. Pro also used a source confirming that there is going to be a Frozen 2, and used Wikipedia as well. Con did use a source, but as pointed out by con the source was only an easy on what the authors opinions on tangled were compared to frozen, instead of actually using the statistic to compare ands contrast the two movies.
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeiture, plus Con was rather rash in his treatment of Pro.
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Reasons for voting decision: FF, and the arguments that con made were based on opinions and not on facts.