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lannan13
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LostintheEcho1498
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Resolved: Hurricane Katrina was likely a Conspiracy.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/13/2016 Category: Science
Updated: 7 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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lannan13

Pro

This debate is impossible to accept, if you wish to accept then please apply in the comments. If you accept without my approval, then you will automatically forfeit the entire debate.

This debate shall be about whether or not Hurricane Katrina was a conspiracy. I would like to note that I do not actually believe this and this is just a debate I'm doing for fun.

Rules
No Trolling
First round is acceptance and definitions
Round 2 is Contentions. There are no rebuttles in this round.
Round 3 is Reubuttles
Round 4 is Rebuttles and Conclusions.
Burden of Proof Is Shared.
A violation of any of these points will result in an automatic Forfeiture.

likely-having a high probability of occurring or being true: very probable<rain islikelytoday> (http://www.merriam-webster.com...)

Conspriacy-a secret plan made by two or more people to do something that is harmful or illegal (http://www.learnersdictionary.com...)
LostintheEcho1498

Con

I accept your challenge and definitions. I hope for an interesting debate here and am curious as to how this will end up. Should be fun. Off to you Lannan.
Debate Round No. 1
lannan13

Pro

I thank my opponent for accepting this debate an do hope that it lives up to expectations

Contention 1: Telsa and HAARP


Subpoint 1: Telsa's Connections

In 1934, Telsa announces that he has discovered a death ray and also says he's invented a high frequency transmitter which can alter the ionosphere and control weather.

In 1943, Tesla dies and all of his personal papers and belongings are seized by men calling themselves "federal agents". For 37 years, whenever public requests for Tesla"s files are made the FBI denies it has any knowledge of their whereabouts. Military intelligence and The Library of Congress also deny ever holding Tesla"s files.

1989: The FBI declassifies the last pages of its Tesla file. It reveals that Nikola Tesla contacted the U.S. Department of War a day before his death. It also reveals that the FBI asked the Office of Alien Property to seize all of Tesla"s belongings despite the fact that it had no authority to do so.

1990: The U.S. government starts research project HAARP. It is based on Tesla"s weather control designs. [1]

Subpoint 2: HAARP

HAARP stands for High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program. Here they shoot High Frequency radio transmittions into the atmosphere and can go up to 350 kilometers in altitude. That's when they create plasmas in the atmosphere. [2] That's how they alter the Earth's atmosphere. Here is a diagram of what happens. It has been reported that HAARP sends billions of watts in the 2.8-8.2 MHz range into the ionosphere, which isn't healthy for the ionosphere and can create "holes" per say in the sky much of those like the ones in the Ozone. (THough it's not exactly the same that's just a comparission)


Contention 2: HAARP caused Katrina

NASA has discovered that only three Hurricanes in Human history have produced lightening and they are; Katrina, Rita, and Emily. NASA has also found that Hurricanes on their own over open water cannot create their own electricity, because they do not produce electrical fields. It's simply, because Hurricanes do not have verticle winds, they have horizontal winds. Blakeslee, a NASA sciencetist, has said, "Hurricanes are most likely to produce lightning when they're making landfall, But there were no mountains beneath the "electric hurricanes" of 2005—only flat water." [3] HAARP's home page states that all are welcome to come observe it's station in Alaska, but many were actually turned away like former Minnesota Govenor Jesse Ventura. [4]Also why was the HAARP organization at their highest activity in their history before Katrina?
Magnetic

Contention 3: HAARP has also caused Hurricane Sandy

In 1997, HAARP created a Hurricane 'Drill' called Hurricane Sandy in Rodchester, NY.
Drill
But during Hurricane Sandy, the real one, HAARP's frequencies were off the chart and you'll never believe where they were the most frequent. At the heart of the Hurricane. [5]

HAARP

Contention 4: Motive?

Now you must be asking yourself why in the world would HAARP want to do something like this. The answer is very simple. To help the US economy. Hurricanes cause massive destruction, but it gives the community jobs in construction and pumps hundreds of thousands of dollars into the insurence industry. We all know how the US economy was starting to fall into a recession in the mid 2000's. One year after Hurricane Katrina the US economy rating went from B+ to A. [6] The GDP went from down 4% for the first three months after Katrina to down 1.4% for the finial months of 2005 and then for the first 3 months of 2006 the GDP was up by 5.6% and gas prices fell under $3 a gallon and the economy began to look like it was on the upturn. [6]

Sources
1. ( http://beforeitsnews.com...)
2. (http://www.haarp.alaska.edu...) [use way back machine]
3. (http://science.nasa.gov...)
4. (http://juneauempire.com...)
5. (http://www.skyshipsovercashiers.com...)
6. (http://abcnews.go.com...)
LostintheEcho1498

Con

LostintheEcho1498 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
lannan13

Pro

All points extended.
LostintheEcho1498

Con

LostintheEcho1498 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
lannan13

Pro

All points extended and please vote Pro.
LostintheEcho1498

Con

LostintheEcho1498 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by MaxLamperouge 7 months ago
MaxLamperouge
Hurricane Katrina was itself not a conspiracy.
No one has the power to create hurricanes.
Posted by mangolife23 8 months ago
mangolife23
"this is just a debate I'm doing for fun"

There is nothing funny about this. Come on, have some respect.
Posted by Overhead 8 months ago
Overhead
@Lost

Well I'm assuming that "Hurricane Katrina was likely a Conspiracy" actually means "The Levee failures caused by Hurricane Katrina were likely a Conspiracy".

There are two ways one could go about arguing this that I can see. Trying to argue that the levees were blown up (there's a conspiracy theory where some people believe this happened) or trying to argue that issues with the construction of the levees being built to sub-standard specs was deliberate and fits the definition of conspiracy.
Posted by LostintheEcho1498 8 months ago
LostintheEcho1498
I'll take this Lannan if only out of curiosity. Idk how you are going to argue a Hurricane was a conspiracy but it should be interesting to see.
Posted by 1john222 8 months ago
1john222
I'd like to take this debate.
Posted by Redsoxphan 8 months ago
Redsoxphan
Emmarie, I don't have a problem with people questioning reports. However sometimes people take the concept of questioning to the point where they believe the event did not occur, and thats what makes me sick. Now onto your comment about weather control, weather control is usually used to increase water supplies, and I don' t think corporations were trying to do that. Weather control is usually used to PREVENT hurricanes or other destructive weather forces, not cause them. Hurricanes are a force of nature. HAARP was created and its purpose is to divert hurricanes away from the coast, not cause them. Other government organizations are set up for the same purpose , but the last modification of weather was in the 80's. Before the 80's there was no technology to divert these types of storms. Besides what benefit would the government organizations have to flood and destroy cites, they would lose money, not be richer!
Posted by Emmarie 8 months ago
Emmarie
Redsoxphan - why does it bother you when people question "official" reports of things? How is it harming anyone to question things? I thought it was an attempt to take out the poorest section of N.O. and update the city for tourists. There is such a thing as weather control - and there are multi billion $ corporatocracies that have more power than the US government who can manipulate many factors of our lives.
Posted by lannan13 8 months ago
lannan13
Sorry Cloud, you only had one debate so far and you forfeited the only round.
Posted by Cloud_heartbreaker 8 months ago
Cloud_heartbreaker
I would like to debate on this topic.

Hmu if you accept me.
Posted by Briannj17 8 months ago
Briannj17
Grammer nazi time! Lannan conspiracy is spelled wrong in your definition.
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct: Full Forfeiture. Arguments: This goes to Pro due to the fact that he is the only person to argue and Con never responds to his arguments. Ergo, his burden is automatically fulfilled and this debate goes in Pro's favor on arguments and conduct.
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct to Pro. Con forfeit all rounds, displaying lack of interest and poor conduct in this debate.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con ff many times, so conduct to Pro. Pro also was the only one who made an argument, so arguments to Pro by default.