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Logical-Master
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cody30228
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Resolved: If Goku and Superman were to fight without holding back, Goku would be the winner.

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Started: 2/3/2008 Category: Entertainment
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Logical-Master

Con

Greetings. First, I'd like to thank my opponent for accepting my challenge for this debate.

I intend to advocate Superman's superiority to the Saiayan from planet Vegeta. Disagree? Feel free to take up this 5 round debate. I'll post arguments in round 2. Feel free to attempt to define the resolution to your advantage. Chances are, I'll show how your definitions are false.
cody30228

Pro

Ok, I won't try to twist the resolution too much because it's not really that necessary. All I will say is that any attack can be used by either person because you claim a fight "without holding back".

Goku and Superman both
1. Fly
2. Super Strong
3. Can shoot crazy energy beam thingies
4. Faster than light

Super man has many varities of powers in many different versions, so we need to limit what it he can really do.
IT is generally accepted, besides what I stated above, Superman can
1. X-Ray vision
2. Can withstand a bullet

Agreed? Just post other powers Superman has, and always has.

Goku, from start to ened of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT can
1. Teleport
2. Blow stuff up

So Goku versus superman...
Goku is faster. While both can travel at the same speed, Goku can teleport. Superman can not. Goku could easily out maneuver Superman this way. Goku can blind superman. Goku could attack Superman with his cool looking beams of energy or what ever they are. Superman is not protected against these. If worst comes to worse, Goku could always use a SolarBomb (c), i think thats what it's called, and drain Superman's energy. He could then blow up a planet that Superman is on and teleport away. Or, he could teleport to wherever some kryptonite is can defeat superman with that. Goku has no physical weaknesses.
Debate Round No. 1
Logical-Master

Con

My opponent has a made a few interesting points, but I feel they all fall short and will show that in this round. I will agree that we keep this debate going by proving who has superior feats.

First, my opponent gives a quick comparison of the two characters abilities. I agree with the first three, but the last one is false as Goku cannot move faster than the speed of light as the anime clearly suggest that instant transmission (which he cannot move faster than) is stated at merely being able to move 99% the speed of light.

On the other hand, Superman can travel several times faster than light. Heck, can travel trillions of miles within seconds: http://img72.imageshack.us...

Here's a feat showing Superman vibrating his body to the point of intangibility: http://img378.imageshack.us...

Lets go back to what my opponent said concerning Superman's strength. He said both him and Goku were super strong, but I have my doubts about Goku even being in Superman's league.

Observe the following:

A vid on this page shows Super Saiyan 2 Goku struggling to push a mountain apart: http://myfavoritegames.com...

Superman can not only do that with relative ease, but his strength is so uncanny that he can contain a black hole with his bare hands: http://img377.imageshack.us...

No doubt is Superman MUCH stronger than Goku.

My opponent insinuated that Superman is merely able to withstand a bullet, but this is false.

Here is Superman withstanding and escaping a double black hole:

http://img367.imageshack.us...
http://img367.imageshack.us...
http://img367.imageshack.us...
http://img367.imageshack.us...
http://img367.imageshack.us...

I challenge my opponent to find any point in Dragonball Z – GT where Goku tops or even comes close to this feat.

My opponent states that Goku could attack Superman with his cool looking beams, but not only can Superman endure or avoid (through making himself intangible) Goku's beams, but can also deliver far greater force? Proof?

Here's Superman destroying an entire solar system with merely one sneeze:
http://img57.imageshack.us...

My opponent states that Goku could blind Superman, but this is false.

Here is Superman facing off against his arch nemesis Darkseid near the surface of the sun: http://img205.imageshack.us...

The sun has no effect on his eye sight, so Goku's usage of the solar flare technique would be pointless.

Speaking of Superman's eyes, in this pic, scientist claim that Superman's heat vision is off the charts. They can measure how hot a star is, but apparently not Superman's heat vision: http://img225.imageshack.us...

My opponent states that Goku would look for some kryptonite, but not only is kryptonite hardly effective against Superman anymore, but how would Goku even know that Superman was weakened by it?

Goku blowing up the planet they were on would be pointless as Superman can endure far worse (as I've shown with the double black hole feat). And since Superman can travel faster than Goku can while using Instant Transmission, that would be pointless as well.

My opponent states that Goku has no physical weakness, but this is false as Goku has a finite amount of energy (contrary to Superman)(thus meaning Goku can get exhausted), cannot breathe in space (Superman could just put Goku in a choke hold while carrying him into the vacuum of space), and is not invulnerable (contrary to Superman).

My opponent suggest that Goku could use a Spirit Bomb, but this technique takes a while to power up. I doubt Superman would just stand around and watch. There's also the fact that it cannot harm those pure of heart, further making it pointless.

Now to add in a point of my own. As shown in the first Superman film and the comics, Superman can simply travel back in time. If he wanted to, he could go back in time and prevent Goku from even becoming half as powerful as he is (not that he would need to do this).

Noting all of the above information, Superman would clearly defeat Goku.

With that said, I now await my opponent's first rebuttal.
cody30228

Pro

So it appears we are debating speed. Your second link does not even work. So, your first "source" shows Superman's ability to move faster than the speed of light. This site gives a quote from the real DBZ saga
http://www.slipups.com...
claiming that Goku travels the speed of light.
When I argue speed, I am not arguing the speed of travling, for that is not much help during a fight. We must compare the reflexices and speeds of punches, etc during a fight
http://img138.imageshack.us...
Superman not fast enough to dodge a bullet
http://youtube.com...
Obvioulsy Goku is very fast in battle and would be able to dodge a bullet

Here none of the videos work on my computer. Maybe it is incompatible with Firefox…whatever. Anyway, Goku is shown over and over to be the strongest in the universe. But I hardly thing Goku or Superman would sit there are punch each other. More likely they would attack each other with their other powers.

Goku has never had the problem of containing a black-hole in his hands…so this is kinda hard to prove that Goku could do.

Why do you think Superman is stronger than Goku?

http://img66.imageshack.us...
http://img66.imageshack.us...
http://img138.imageshack.us...
Yah Superman does SUCH a good job of avoiding cool laser beam things. IF you watch the previous videos I posted, you will see that Goku does this with no problem. Superman can not endure these, as shown, and never displays similar force to:
http://www.neghvar.de...
http://www.myfavoritegames.com...
Goku is obviously superior in this aspect

Um….all the sneezing shows is that Superman has no control over his powers…

What do you mean kyrptonite is hardly effective? I thought that was like the big weakness to superman
http://www.foxnews.com...
Now, im sure Goku, being able to travel around the UNIVERSE would be able to find kryptonite, and everyone knows superman's weakness.

Goku, as you mistakingly claim, does have an infinite amount of energy. Like I said, he could use the I guess "Spirit" Bomb and gain limitless energy. Superman could not follow Goku to random places if he does not know where Goku is. Furthermore, Superman is NOT pure of heart. He killed that one dude in that one shows of like Justice League or something.

Superman can travel back in time? Well Goku can collect the dragon balls and wish that Superman dies, or loses, or whatever. While Superman is going back in time, Goku could be wishing that Superman will lose.
Debate Round No. 2
Logical-Master

Con

My opponent states that my 2nd link doesn't work, but I've clicked on this link multiple times from multiple computers and it works. I'll post it again: http://img378.imageshack.us...

My opponent list a website in attempt to prove that the villain known as Radditz could move at the speed of light, yet the website which he list is not an official DBZ website. Furthermore, the line which he is referring to was a dub error in the Ocean group DBZ dubbing. This line cannot be found in the original Japanese. In fact, in the original Japanese, Piccolo actually says "Speed of Death." This is due to the fact that this is in relation to one of his special attack's names.

My opponent suggest that we must argue the speed at which these characters battle. First, I've proven that Superman's battle speed is great as he would not have been able to make himself intangible in my 2nd link otherwise.

Superman fighting at high speeds:

http://img366.imageshack.us...

http://img366.imageshack.us...

http://img370.imageshack.us...

http://img378.imageshack.us...

http://img378.imageshack.us...

http://i219.photobucket.com...

As for my opponent's link, that was a kryptonite bullet used against Superman. Superman used to weaken while just being around Kryptonite. Anyway, the above links prove that Superman (at his best) his more than fast enough to outmaneuver a bullet. Just for the heck of things, I will disprove it one step further.

Observe the following:

http://img366.imageshack.us...
http://img366.imageshack.us...

Bullets are no problem with Superman.

And since the topic concerns Goku and Superman at their best, this link which my opponent presents is dismissible.

A black hole: http://en.wikipedia.org...
Definition: A black hole is a region of space in which the gravitational field is so powerful that nothing can escape after having fallen past the event horizon.

Not even light can escape a black hole. The fact that Superman is not only capable of escaping one but dispelling one with his brute strength as well suggests that his strength is nigh limitless. In GT, SS4 Goku has trouble lifting a city. This suggest that Goku is weaker.

If you're a bit doubtful on the black hole bit, lets go with this one:

http://img292.imageshack.us...

Superman effortlessly lifts and tosses a neutron star that weighs trillions of tons.

There is no doubt that Superman is stronger than Goku.

My opponent gives instances where Superman has trouble avoiding laser beams whereas Goku does not, however, this works under the assumption that the beams Goku dodged were as fast as the beams Superman dodged.

Furthermore, my opponent does nothing to disprove my counter involving Superman being able to make his body intangible even under the most averse situations. As I said earlier, he could just let Goku's beams fly right him. And unlike Goku, Superman wouldn't actually be moving.

As for enduring beams, my opponent is yet again incorrect:

The fact that Superman can withstand multiple Black Holes is evidence of his superior durability, but lets take a different route.

Watch as Superman shrugs off a bomb that was meant to destroy the entire earth. Keep in mind that he doesn't even appear phased.

http://img219.imageshack.us...

Here's Superman shrugging off a Super nova while hardly being effected.

http://img156.imageshack.us...

http://img168.imageshack.us...

Here's Superman effortlessly absorbing the blows from a fully Enraged Hulk:

http://img211.imageshack.us...

In JLA #41, Superman absorbed the energy of the Mageddon Warhead, a device capable, at the minimum, of vaporizing half a galaxy. Writer Grant Morrison intended Mageddon to be "the primordial annihilator" capable of literally destroying everything. Visibly distressed by the absorption,

Superman #153: Superman became the first being ever in the history of the Universe to defeat an Imperiex probe. He used a combination of super speed and super strength to destroy an Imperiex space construct ; said construct was capable of annihilating our solar system. Note that Superman took a blast from Imperiex, the beam aforementioned as being able to vaporize a solar system.

I believe I've posted enough to establish that Superman's durability is to be unquestioned when compared to Goku as the best he can do is withstand attacks that are merely strong enough to destroy planets. There is never an opponent that possesses the kind of power Superman is able to endure in the above links and citations.

My opponent states that the sneezing merely shows that Superman has no control over his powers, but the sneezing was actually induced by a villain who made him catch a cold. Without being ill, he is able to control his powers quite well.

As for kryptonite, observe:

http://i4.photobucket.com...
http://i4.photobucket.com...

Here, Superman withstands a nuclear blast while standing on an island composed of kryptonite.

Not that this is relevant as Goku would not know that Superman would be weakened by kryptonite. Even if he did, he wouldn't use it against Superman. The guy healed one of his enemies (Cell) just to have a fair fight.

My opponent reiterates that Goku can travel around the universe, but I've shown that Superman can travel faster than Goku's so-called "teleportation" (which is limited to light speed) as Superman can travel trillions of miles within a few seconds (again, look back to my first link).

My opponent states that Goku has infinite energy, but this is false. First, the Spirit Bomb is not his energy. Furthermore, he is only able to draw a limited amount of energy. What my opponent doesn't mention is that Goku needs plenty of time away from his opponent(s) just to form the attacks. In other words, it would require that Superman merely sit in one spot and leave Goku alone for quite some time. If Superman has the intent to actually WIN the battle, he wouldn't do this.

My opponent suggests that Superman isn't pure of heart, but merely killing someone does not make you foul. If that's the case, Goku isn't pure of heart either as he has killed Majin Buu and contributed to killing Radditz.

Superman can travel back through time within an instant. Goku needs a long time to find all the dragonballs and make the wish. Not only that, but the dragon cannot harm a being that is more powerful than it. This was brought up when Oolong and Bulma attempted to use the dragon to kill Nappa and Vegeta during the beginning of Dragon Ball Z.

No matter how you look at it, Goku loses.
cody30228

Pro

SPEED
For speed, we are comparing two things, fight speed and travel speed. With fight speed, we have both provided sources for Goku and Superman achieving a state of intangibility. It seems this fight speed is no longer a factor. When we look at travel speed, both can move very fast. Goku can use "instant transmission" and go to some random planet. Superman would not be able to find him, unless he can read minds and/or is psychic. Same for Superman. He can fly away and Goku would not be able to find him. So speed would not be an advantage in a fight between them.

STAMINA
"Here, Superman withstands a nuclear blast while standing on an island composed of kryptonite." You claimed earlier that"[bullet] was a kryptonite bullet used against Superman." You made the argument that the only reason Superman was harmed was because the bullet was kryptonite, then you claim kryptonite has no effect on him. It appears some of your evidence is faulty. Superman can be harmed, as shown by the kryptonite bullet. Goku has no natural substance that harms him. In fact, he could just carry into battle some of those bean things that he used in early DBZ to regain health instantly. Superman has a huge weakness, and Goku can heal.

STRENGTH
I will concede that Superman is very strong...physically. You ignored the fact that Goku has immensely high energy strength. Superman has very little of this. But the appliance of strength is nothing without strategy

STRATEGY
This is where Goku wins. First, to defend against what you incorrectly claimed. You stated that Goku would not use kryptonite against Superman because he would want to win a fair fight
"Resolved: If Goku and Superman were to fight without holding back"
Without holding back, Goku would not help Superman
You further stated that Goku would not have the ability to charge up a Spirit Bomb. Refer to my speed arguments. Goku could go to a planet and Superman not know where he is. Goku would have ample time to charge a Spirit Bomb or find kryptonite or anuthing else. And your last argument that the Spirit Bomb would not hurt Superman because he can kill, yet still be pure of heart is wrong. In Justice League, Superman is many times portrayed as a tormented hero with a dark side. In Superman III, his evil side becomes alive. Superman is not pure of heart.
Goku with the ability to draw energy from other things, is a source of limitless energy.
If we know that Superman is harmed by kryptonite, there is no reason to believe that Goku would not know of this.
With the Dragon Balls, strength is measured by spiritual, not physical, power. Superman lacks in this severally. Goku could instant transmission, find the dragon balls, and wish Superman dead or something.
Goku could easily, as proved above, charge up a Spirit Bomb, and defeat Superman with it.

Superman has no advantages that would make him win over Goku. Goku has teh energy beams, stamina, and strategy.
Debate Round No. 3
Logical-Master

Con

RE SPEED: My opponent states that he has provided a source to suggest that Goku could achieve a state of intangibility, but this is false. In the series, it is explained that Goku was moving so quickly, that it merely appeared that he wasn't moving at all. This is the reason the animators took the time to show Goku in slow motion as he was hitting Recoome (the big stupid looking guy with red hair)(as it just appeared that his body had instantly come into contact with Recoome earlier on) Also, if you examine "0:24 –0:36 on that video my opponent cites, it explains not only the bit about Recoome, but even shows that Goku was actually moving due to the irregular shape of his foot prints on the ground beneath him.

Speed is certainly a factor as Superman's is superior by a large margin. Even if Goku moves around with instant transmission, he is merely limited to light speed movement. And for those who don't know, light speed is translated at a speed of 180,000 miles per second. As shown in my earlier comic book citation, Superman can move trillions of miles in mere seconds, so his speed is obviously superior. Goku would never be able to get away from him.

Finally, my opponent has raised no objection to the fact that Goku's instant transmission can merely move at the speed of light. If he attempts this in round 4, you can drop any such argument on that matter since he did not so when I had the chance to respond.

RE STAMINA: I claimed that Superman was only harmed by that bullet because of kryptonite, but made another claim as well. Allow me to quote it:

"Superman used to weaken while just being around Kryptonite."

"And since the topic concerns Goku and Superman at their best, this link which my opponent presents is dismissible."

In the first quote, notice the words "USED TO WEAKEN." In other word, the implication was that it was a common occurrence of the past.

In the second quote, the implication was that the comic which my opponent cited did not present Superman at his best. Not only can Superman at his strongest withstand kryptonite more so than he could in the past, but he has also developed a tactic of melting the kryptonite with heat vision while maintaining his distance.

However, if my opponent wishes to use moments where the characters were at there weakest, then I see no reason not to cite this video: http://youtube.com... Pay special attention to 8:47 and see what you think of Goku's strength/durability. Or better yet, pay special attention to 7:56 – 8:30 on this video: http://youtube.com...

Goku may not be harmed by natural substances, but he can be injured and killed. In fact, he has been killed off twice in the series.

As for those bean things (senzu beans), they wouldn't do Goku much good. Superman can't run out of energy as the Sun (or stars of equal/greater class) constantly provide him with energy. Superman can keep this fight going thousands of years if he wants to.

My opponent has provided no means at which Goku would be able to find out about kryptonite, find kryptonite, or even be able to use it without Superman destroying it with his heat vision, so most of the substance in this part of his rebuttal can be dismissed on those grounds alone.

RE STRENGTH: My opponent concedes that Superman is immensely strong in the physical department, but still insist that Goku has the advantage in the energy department. I'm not sure what his definition of energy is, but will remind him that Superman is constantly supplied with energy from the sun (or similar stars), not to mention that Superman could counter Goku's beams with his heat vision. Given that scientist couldn't even measure its intensity (despite that they are able to measure the intensity of the hottest of stars), this would lead us to accept that Superman's "energy" is highly destructive.

RE STRATEGY: My opponent adds in a new factor within this battle, but I will prove that Superman has the advantage here. My opponent concludes that "not holding back" justifies Goku using kryptonite, but this is non sequitur as Goku holding back none of his power has nothing to do with wanting to use kryptonite.

My opponent continues to state that Goku would not have time to charge up and even supports this with his speed argument, but I have already thoroughly refuted his speed argument, so this can be put as having been refuted as well.

As for the pure of heart argument, the spirit bomb doesn't require that the user(s) be flawless (as in they have never committed a mistake). Gohan is listed as having been pure of heart (adult Gohan is too since he rode the nimbus), but ruthlessly tortured Cell rather than killing him. The cost of his selfish actions was Goku's life. So yes, someone with flaws can still be pure of heart.

As for Superman III, the Superman clone's version of evil was getting drunk and breaking a few laws. Nothing evil about that (just cartoony). Furthermore, what my opponent forgets to mention was that this being was completely made up of whatever negative energy there was within Superman; he was a being based on Superman's flaws.

We know Superman can be harmed by kryptonite due to the fact that he is a FICTIONAL character in our eyes. Goku does not know this and has never even heard of Superman. Furthermore, by my opponent's argument, I could argue that Superman knew everything about Goku merely because we know everything about Goku.

My opponent insist that Goku could find the dragonballs with instant transmission, but as I've already shown, Superman can still move faster than Goku can even with instant transmission. Not to mention that Superman could simply go back through time before Goku had even realized that the fight began.

A point of my own: Superman actually has a super intellect as shown here: http://img224.imageshack.us...

So in terms of who can come up with the best strategy, Superman by a long shot.

NOTE: If my opponent attempts to bring up any evidence which he hasn't in the previous rounds, you are obligated to dismiss it. If you don't understand why, I will be more than happy to explain below.

Closing Statements: I've shown that Superman is FAR stronger, FAR faster, FAR more durable, and FAR more intelligent than Goku. On top of that, Superman's stamina is limitless. I've addressed all of my opponent's evidence and my opponent hasn't addressed all of mine. I've even pointed out that Superman could simply travel back in time and prevent Goku from ever gaining his powers if he wanted to. No matter how you look at it, Superman has Goku beat. Thus, I urge you vote in favor of the instigator.

I thank you (the audience) for reading and I thank my opponent (cody30228) for taking the time to debate (as I had fun). Good night everyone! :D
cody30228

Pro

SPEED:
If you understood exactly what you are saying, you would understand that Goku does reach a state of intangibility. Let's see…if he moves so fast that it does not appear that he moves, is that not moving very very very fast?

You again ignore the lack of importance the top travel speed has. Once again, unless Superman is psychic, Goku could run and hide. You haven't disproved this.

STAMINA: See, I was not comparing Superman at his weakest, as you tried to do; I was comparing Superman how he is. At his best, he is slightly weakened by kryptonite. This means it could still be used against him. Superman could try to melt it, of course, but it is still a weakness Goku could exploit.

I never claimed that Goku could not be killed or injured. That would be silly. I do, however, make it a point that Goku can withstand a lot of attacks. A fight to the death was never specified in the debate. We are simply debating in a fair fight. The outcome could be death, but it doesn't have to.

An argument that Superman is powered by the sun (doubtful) does not prove why Senzu beans wouldn't do Goku much good. You make no attack on Senzu beans. In both cases, Goku and Superman have near infinite power. You have no real reason for this argument.

You claim, again, that I must prove that Goku would know about kryptonite and be able to find it. You gave no argument why he would NOT be able to find or be aware of kryptonite. Since I claimED that it would be common knowledge, you must refute (which you didn't).

STRENGTH:
By energy, I meant the beams of ENERGY that Goku is able to shoot. Like the beam that is some weird Japanese name that starts with a K that I can not even begin to spell…Heat vision is nothing compared to balls of energy that decimate planets (Freiza blowing up Sayian home world). Again, your flaw in this debate is a lack of defense. All you do is make Superman seem godly, yet forget to state why Goku is not just as, if not more, amazing. You have NO attack against Goku's power which I claim would easily trump, and defeat, Superman.

STRATEGY:
So, your opening has little value except that Goku might not want to use kryptonite? Since he would not hold back, he would try to win with any attack.

You ignore (again) that Superman is not psychic and could not follow Goku if he ran to some hidden planet to charge a Spirit Bomb. This is the first strategy argument that wins it for Goku.

Next, you claim that Superman was still good, and that his evilness was just cartoony. Breaking laws with the intent to commit evil deeds is…well…evil! Sorry to burst your bubble like that. Now if a solid entity was able to be composed by Superman's flaws, I would say he has a lot of flaws. Enough to make him NOT pure of heart.

Superman is fictional? Really? I had no idea…NO DUH! So is Goku! If you take the path that both are fictional and this is a fictional fight, I could say that the artist decided to draw Goku a super-antisuperman-laser that automatically kills him…oh look, Goku wins.
There is nothing restricting you from stating that Superman knows everything about Goku. You just didn't. Not really my fault is it?

When looking at the dragon ball argument, my opponent has all but dropped it. All you say is that Superman is fast. So extend everything I said before about Goku using the dragon balls and, well, defeating Superman. This is winning strategy numero dos.

When you use the time-travel argument, you claim that Superman could travel back in time before the fight starts. How would this help? It wouldn't. You claim that Superman could fight Goku without all of Goku's powers. However, this is not Goku AT HIS BEST. And that is what we are debating.

Your ONLY reason why Superman would have a good strategy is that he can understand many languages. Why don't YOU develop a strategy for Superman to win. We could just let Goku and Superman right our arguments for us! You are debating me, not Superman.

NOTE: What my opponent is trying to say is that I can not bring up any new arguments. However, I CAN bring up new defenses to his arguments. This "rule" also extends to his side. No one is SUPPOSED to create a new argument in their last speech.

So this where I prove why Goku would win.
1.Speed would play a little factor (this is Superman's largest advantage)
2.Stamina is shared by BOTH at very high levels
3.Strength obviously leans towards Goku's devastating energy beams versus heat vision
4.Strategy has given Goku 2 fool-proof plans to defeat Superman. Superman has 0.

Good debate, and thanks!
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by DragonX 5 years ago
DragonX
Writeups.org Pre crisis Superman
Gravity (Attack and Loss, sort of).
Gravity attacks subtract their RAPs from all of Superman's Powers and Attributes. While on a high-grav planet, Superman will Lose his STR and Flight.

Goku has trained on higher amount of gravity since King Kai & ever since then he has gotten alot stronger Vegeta trained at 300gs before becoming a SSJ & destroyed a numerous amount of asteroids while being weakend. Superman went at fFull force at a moon did destroy it but took himself out as well. If Superman did try to go back in time Goku would be able to lock on his energy with his instant transmission. Plus if he gets stuck in the hyperbolic Time chamber or dead zone Superman would lose his powers because they work towards the suns & both of those are considered antoher dimmension. Goku can breathe in Space he was in outer space when he was searching for Brolly. If you wanna debate that as non canon than ear this 1 out. If you rent the movie & look at the end of credits where it says japenese version it said that Akira Toriyama was indeed the Autor of that film. You can check it out for yourself if you don't beliieve me.
Posted by DragonX 5 years ago
DragonX
Goku woud win because The Spirit Bomb would kill him. The rumor of the Spirit Bomb not being able to destroy someone with a pure heart is not true. Because When Goku was about to use the Spirit Bomb on frieza during Namek he admitted if he wasn't careful that it would destroy namek (keep in mind that he said this in his head) He told Gohan that if he had no evil than it couldn't hurt him but later a lot of people forget that Gohan was hurt by it & was nearly unconsious & did not get off the ground up until vegeta created the moon. So that concludes my story
Posted by tahthedon 7 years ago
tahthedon
I just had to jump in this mess.
It's obvious superman is the most basic non creative heroe out there. it's like a kid makes the series, everyday he gets a new attack. Listen man (or read)

superman can do a lot of things, but he cant beat goku, first off, DBZ is full of plot holes, goku's obviously faster than light, Broly was 2 galaxies away and goku got there in like 1 second.

Second, Bullets don't hurt anyone in dragonball z, not even regular people, look up a girl named launch as proof.
third Goku would never ask batman for help, only a loser like superman would
and hello, goku's race is geneticly built for fighting
and if u havent seen the end of dbgt, uh goku's like a god now, he has infinite energy now.

and let me end with this, SUPERMAN GOT KICKED ACROSS TOWN BY SCORPION! TWICE! the second time he didnt get up. Scorpion has the strength of me and u.
im starting to question if super"man" can even beat yamcha
Posted by Maikuru 8 years ago
Maikuru
Why is it that L-M is involved in every superhero debate I encounter? lol
Posted by Kleptin 8 years ago
Kleptin
Kleptin- Voting as a Cleaner

Conduct:

Though both debaters had good conduct, I found Logical Master to be more professional in addressing his points to the audience. At times, Cody seemed to address the audience quite casually. Although this is a debate topic of less serious nature, professionalism does play a role.

Spelling and Grammar:

Cody had numerous typographical errors in his arguments, and going hand in hand with the casual nature of his arguments, makes them appear less formal than Logical Master's. Logical Master on the other hand, had comparatively few, and his sentence structure flows well from point to point.

Arguments:

Both participants offered excellent points and counterpoints. However, I allocated the points to Logical Master because his counterpoints were more direct and on the mark, whereas Cody's counterpoints were much more defensive, less offensive, and often slightly less direct.

Sources:

Points were allocated to Logical Master because he included far more sources than Cody, who seemed to rely more on opinion. For this topic especially, the audience need be educated in order to vote correctly.
Posted by Kusfraba 9 years ago
Kusfraba
One more point -- does Goku need to eat? That could be a possible weakness in an extended fight :P
Posted by Kusfraba 9 years ago
Kusfraba
I think that the weaknesses of Superman (not being able to dodge bullets, beams, fists, etc.) come from different artist's renditions of him. As do the strengths. Goku's powers are fixed, it seems, by the TV show's standards.

Still, I've always been told that Superman was invincible except for kryptonite, and there's no way, i agree, Goku would know that. How do you kill someone invincible? How would you find their weakness if they were chasing you at the speed of light?
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
Logical-Master
Ah, so you do exist.

23 characters + 2 characters = 25 characters.
Posted by Constantine 9 years ago
Constantine
Wow, this was amazing... Hey Eyeleapy, can't wait till you return home from Germany.
Posted by cody30228 9 years ago
cody30228
ok so everyone happy now?

Well Logical-Master, you did say why Goku was weak; however, you did not do this enough. Or I didn't think you did. But i'm just one person.

Good debate overall!
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