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Johnicle
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bunnysaregood
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Resolved: In the United States, the death penalty should not be a form of punishment.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/28/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Johnicle

Pro

The death penalty is not a good form of punishment... therefore, I stand in favor of...

Resolved: In the United States, the death penalty should not be a form of punishment.

I will prove this with the following arguments.

I. Life in prison is more of a punishment.
Recently, the death penalty has become just as painful and pinch in the arm or a shot at the doctors. My ingrown toenail hurts just as much as the death penalty does. All that happens, is that they fall asleep and then they are dead. There is NO punishment to it. Polls have been taken and they have proven that most people that have life in prison WANT to have the death penalty. Think about it, rotting in prison is triple the punishment of the death penalty.

II. The death penalty costs more with the increase in appeal costs.
What most people don't realize is that the death penalty actually costs MORE than life in prison. I have found that the death penalty usually costs well over $1,000,000 after everything is said and done, while life in prison costs approximately $500,000 dollars. This makes no sense, WHY do we give the punishment that feels like a pinch in the arm and pay more than twice as much? It makes no sense and should not be a form of punishment in the United States.

III. By using the death penalty, we sink to the criminals level.
To justify the use of the death penalty, many people use examples. This person killed two people and raped one of them.... Right, that was bad... HOWEVER, WE are going to kill that person? This is two bad actions while is should only be one. The United States should set and example and NOT use the death penalty as a form of punishment, so please vote PRO.

Thank You!
bunnysaregood

Con

The death penalty is the best form of punishment for criminals.

I will prove this with these arguments.

I. some criminals in jail get the death penalty because they are mass murders or the are sex offenders.

The people that get convicted of these crimes have the right to die for the people that they have killed in the past or that they have rapped or molested. It is wrong in out government to kill someone or rape them for out enjoyment. These people should be killed for this so they my never do it again or me seen out of jail to commit what they have already done.

II. If wanted by the criminal then it should be done.

If the convict wants to die because he knows what he did, then he has the right to kill himself through the death penalty. It is his right to kill himself because everyone has there rights.

III. They death pentaly is cheaper then keeping them in jail till they die.

The death pentaly is used to kill people so that we don't need to keep spending money to feed them to keep them alive. The death pentaly is only 2.6 million dollars. In the end we will spend more on food to feed them till they die.

The death pentaly is probably one of the best things we can do for a criminal if wanted by them or the severness of the crime. This is why you should vote con.
Debate Round No. 1
Johnicle

Pro

ORDER: his case, my case, voting issues...

I. -->
His first argument simply shows the people who will get the death penatly... But the type of punishment that we are giving goes right along with my entire case. That these people deserve a worse punishment (which is life in prison which went completely unargued) and that the society does not deserve to pay for it all. We really should not sink to their level but we what we should do is give them the punishment that gives them time to re-think what they've done... which would be life in prison.

II. -->
If the Criminal wanted to be killed, WHY would we kill him then? It makes no sense, this argument actually backs my I argument about life in prison being a better punishment because it's more than a pinch in the arm of pain, it is the criminal rotting in prison for his/her entire life. Another argument that many overlook, is that these criminals have NO chance to be rehabilitated, unless we give them life in prison. Sure they have the ten (appx.) years before the death penalty is implemented, but the more time they have to be rehabilitated the better. But in the end, life in prison with no parol is the best punishment.

III. -->
2.6 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE DEATH PENALTY... That is MORE than the 500,000 dollars spent on life in jail. Better punishment (dropped by CON) less money (proven by CON)... death penalty should NOT be a form of punishment.

My case/Voters...

My case was basically argued in my opponents case by both sides. EXCEPT III which should be pulled through to the end of the round. We really do sink to the level of the criminal by using the death penalty... It's more expensive and painless, therefore hardly a punishment at all. The only thing that the criminal has to look forward to with life in jail is death. Don't give them what they want (which was also dropped) by giving them death early and therefore vote PRO.

Thank You!
bunnysaregood

Con

I will prove in these arguments in round two that it is a form of punishment.

I. death is more of a punishment then rotting in jail.

I am sorry to say but i see the death of him being dead is more of a worse punishment then him sitting in jail till he is 96 and dying. i think death is more of the way to die, and the death pentaly isn't always pretty. In Texas they still use an electric chair. Now that is no painless prick in the arm. that is more of a torture then sitting in a cell everyday of your life till you die.

II. The criminal has a chance of escaping.

The criminal has a chance of escaping from jail or prison. If he or she did, he could commit the same crimes that he was put back in for. with putting them to death we do not have to worry about this happening. they would be tooken care of without having the problem of worrying they might escape

III. Most man can not be rehabilitated from there crimes the committed.

Most man can not be rehabilitated from the crimes they have committed. would you really wanna keep a serial killer alive in jail that will never be rehabilitated and could escape. would u want a mass murder to break out of jail and continue what he was doin. this is the reason we have the death penalty, is to kill the people like this that could harm other people if they break themselves out of jail.

i think i have proven with these three arguments that the death pentaly is the best way to go with for a form of punishment.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by psynthesizer 6 years ago
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@rantingrob:

did you not read Pro's cost for life in prison versus the cost of administering the death penalty?

Put it this way, in which method is a prisoner suffering more?

A life of atonement or a sudden, painless death?
Posted by bunnysaregood 6 years ago
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most of the time if you are put on death row you were convicted by dna which makes you 99.9% guilty. so if you are that guilty you have the right to die for the crime that you commited. it is a way of life. if you commit the crime you do what you are sentenced and if that is death then you are gunna die.
Posted by RantingRob 6 years ago
RantingRob
The death penalty, even if it is never actually carried out, has one very positive effect. The person on death row is segregated from the rest of the prison population and watched far more closely. With the exception of super-max prisons, you can't automatically place anyone in solitary for life no matter what they did to get there. As for super-max prisons, why should the tax payers pay $1,000,000,000( the cost of Terry Nichols' and Ted Kazinskey's new home) to build, and $100,000,000 a year to run a place to house people that society has decided it has no use for? I agree that life without parole is worse than death, but I don't want to pay for it. Also, is it fair to put a guy that went for a joyride and got 2 years in with someone that knows, no matter what they do, that they are never getting out? A good way to alleviate the problem with time on death row would be, if there is DNA or undeniable proof(they found a torso in your fridge) you die tomorrow. If it's a circumstantial case, you get 5 years to build a good appeal, and then you get 1 chance to plead your case. As for the methods of the death penalty, I think the choices should be 15 minutes with the victim's family or a bullet to the back of the head.
Posted by sadolite 6 years ago
sadolite
What is your source for 50% of people on death row are innocent? There have only been 85 reversals since 1976 and the majority of those reversals were commuted to life sentences, not innocence.
Posted by Johnicle 6 years ago
Johnicle
well, just a curiosity not on sadolite, the DNA evidence you refer to is not always used to convict... Some 50% of people on death row from plea bargaining informants are actually innocent, they didn't need DNA evidence but they are still innocent.

Just saying
Posted by psynthesizer 6 years ago
psynthesizer
Wow. Not many people seem to like numbers here. Whatever.

At any rate, given the current rate of actual death penalties that do occur, the probability of a prisoner getting executed in a particularly conservative state such as Texas is in the single digits (can't remember the specific percentage).

Basically, the current rate of death penalties is not enough to deter future criminals from committing murder. There is a greater chance of dying in the ghetto than the most conservative prison in the US.

Given its current state, and the deterrence it provides for future criminals (literally insignificant), the death penalty should be abolished as a form of punishment. However, that is not to say that punishment is not a deterrent from crime; crime rates for juveniles declines sharply at the age of 18 due to the increased punishment for crime for adults. Punishment is effective, but the current death penalty system is not.

Pro brought up a good point on cost/appeals process. Con did not really address this with a conflicting figure. Speculation on Con is never good.
Posted by sadolite 6 years ago
sadolite
One thing that is absolutely 100% sure is that the people who were murdered were innocent and they are 100% dead. The number of people who would die that are innocent would be even smaller today with advent of DNA testing. What you want is absolute perfection in a justice system which can never be attained and with that said you are willing to forgo justice being implemented quickly and swiftly on 99.9 percent of guilty murders. The innocent would represent .1% Why cant we clean out death row right now. If your innocence hasn't been proven after 15 yeas it never will. Why are we as tax payers made to burden the cost of keeping these people alive. I think they should create a privately run prison funded by people who are against the death penalty and make them pay the expense of keeping them alive and proving their innocents after the fact and if you don't want to then off to the execution chamber.
Posted by Derek.Gunn 6 years ago
Derek.Gunn
I wonder how many more innocent people would die if executions took place within 15 minutes of conviction?
How would you feel about the justice system if it was someone you knew; and they were truly innocent?

It's not very pretty reading about people's desire see justice done viciously - on somebody else.
Posted by Pluto2493 6 years ago
Pluto2493
Another thing: why isn't just a shot in the head a DP form? It's quick and painless... or a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the face...
Posted by Pluto2493 6 years ago
Pluto2493
I voted pro. The argument about whether it was a worse form of punishment was a wash, so the argument that it costs less money stuck out at me. The only way con could overcome this was to prove to me either A: Death Penalty costs less or B: that the death penalty is the worst form of punishment.

Besides that, I would've said that DP is unconstitutional, being cruel and unusual punishment. The electric chair is just torture; with the injection, it paralyzes your legs up, you eventually freak out and go crazy before you die.
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