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Resolved: In the Us Students should get 2 free years of college tution

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Started: 4/26/2016 Category: Education
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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experiment626

Con

"Reducing costs for students on its own is unlikely to significantly increase the number of students who finish degrees." said authors Judith Scott-Clayton and Thomas Bailey. It is because I agree with the words of Judith Scott-Clayton and Thomas Bailey I stand on the Con side of today"s resolution. Resolved:In the United States, students should be guaranteed two years of free tuition to a community or technical college.
In order to better understand the resolution I offer the following definitions from the Oxford English Dictionary.

Community College- a nonresidential junior college offering courses to people living in a particular area
Tuition- a sum of money charged for teaching or instruction by a school, college, or university.
Technical College- a college providing courses in a range of practical subjects, such as information technology, applied sciences, engineering, agriculture, and secretarial skills

In order to understand my partner and I"s position in regards to today"s resolution we offer the following 3 contentions.

Contention 1: Having two years of free tuition would be expensive for the government.

According to Robert Kelchen(a reporter for Washington Monthly) in his article Thoughts on President Obama"s "Free Community College" Proposal. Written on January 08, 2015 8:56 PM

"If enough students switch from private to public colleges, the additional demand would force states and localities to undertake expensive capital building projects. This could also place additional strain on state financial aid programs"

If a lot of people start going to public colleges the demand would force the government to start and do expensive capital building projects, using YOUR tax dollars, to build more colleges, and possibly placing extra strain on financial aid programs. There should not be free tuition, because it would force the government to build more colleges and spend more money.

Contention 2: There are existing programs to cover the poorest students

According to Keith Button (a writer for education dive) in his article 5 pros and cons of Obama"s free college plan written January 26 2015

"Free tuition for community college is already available for the poorest students through federal Pell Grants. More than 7 out of 10 students pay less than $1,000 per year for community college tuition, including nearly 2 out of 5 students who have grants that pay their entire tuition bill."

Free or reduced tuition is already available to those who need it most, so therefore there is no reason to have free tuition. And Why pay for those who do not need it? Because free tuition isn"t necessary and we do not need it , because the people who need it most are already getting it.

Contention 3: The government would be wasting money on people who can afford college.

According to Stefon Napier, Administrative Assistant at Graduate and Professional Student Association in his article Free Community College Education: Pros and Cons written July 28, 2015.

"While these programs are aimed at students from low income backgrounds they do not prohibit students from other economic backgrounds from applying thus hurting their intended purpose."
The government would be wasting money, on people who can afford college when it can be spending more money to help those who need it. Because of this, Students should not receive 2 years of free tuition.

Contention 4: Increased competition could hurt four-year schools

According to Keith Button in his article 5 pros and cons of obama"s free community college plan. written January 26, 2015 http://www.educationdive.com...

"The program could encourage students to go to community college instead of four-year schools, which could force some four-year schools to close. Allocating the estimated $60 billion in federal spending required for the program over 10 years could mean that less funding will be available for higher education initiatives and financial aid at four-year colleges and universities. The plan calls for states to pick up the tab for 25% of the bill, and state spending on higher education has been trending down."

To summarize my case Free tuition is expensive for the government,there are existing programs to cover the poorest students, the government would be wasting money on people who can afford college, and the increased competition can hurt four year schools.

It is for these reasons and many more that I urge a Con vote on today"s ballot. Thank you for your time.
madforge

Pro

First off i would like to say that the US government would have no issue giving out free college. Many countries such as Sweden already offer such services and are in far better shape then the US. Now i don't completely buy into the free college as a whole, but honestly if the only reasons it can't work are the ones above than they can easily be dismissed. With proper cuts to military spending and proper allocation of taxes, college on a large scale, would cost the government no more than a couple hundred billion. Sounds like alot, sure. However this is nothing compared to the 700+ billion we spend on our pointless military each year. Personally i think that there are better places to put the money than widespread college. However the difficulty of doing it would be minimal. European countries seem to function at much greater levels of efficiency in this regard. I am also not saying that we should copy Europe to the letter. However when you see countries that are much more successful it is a good idea to try and see what they are doing that we can do better, or that we can improve upon.
As for competition hurting schools i find this very hard to believe, if a school is incapable of meeting the demands made by the students, and those students choose to go elsewhere, then clearly that school is not fit if it cannot compete with other schools, or major universities. Also it seems most people who are against this thinking (from what i can gather) don't even seem to be considering the idea as a whole. They seem to point to close minded economics and government spending and say it can't happen. Well ofcourse if you look at it from a perspective that is resistant to change you would say that the money simply isn't there. Sacrifices would need to be made by other sectors of the government (Military) Also it is not a surprise in the slightest that major universities wouldn't like this. With all students being represented by the government, we would gain massive bargaining power and because of this they would be forced to lower their price of tuition. This is similar to universal healthcare in the sense that with everyone being tossed into the same boat you gain massive bargaining power and thus the price of the product as a whole seems to drop substantially.
Ill keep my final rebuttal short and sweet. It is true that for the poorest of people there are already programs in place to get them in school. However for a middle class family such as mine. My parents make enough to struggle to get me through college, my parents combined income is around 200k (very loose figure) we can live in a modest house and have two cars. However if my parents didn't have to fork over 120k or even 60k, that money could go into there retirement or other very important things that they currently are sacrificing for me and my brother (who will also be going to college in a couple years). So inevitably what i'm getting at is that it removes alot of pressure on the middle class.
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