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Resolved:On Balance,standardized testing beneficial to K-12 education in the United States

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Started: 1/15/2016 Category: Education
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Michaelturtles

Con

Study says standardized testing is overwhelming nation"s public schools
Layton 14 Lyndsey Layton is a reporter in Washington D.C https://www.washingtonpost.com....

The number of standardized tests U.S. public school students take has exploded in the past decade, with most schools requiring too many tests of dubious value, according to the first comprehensive survey of the nation"s largest districts.A typical student takes 112 mandated standardized tests between pre-kindergarten classes and 12th grade, a new Council of the Great City Schools study found. By contrast, most countries that outperform the United States on international exams test students three times during their school careers.

Bless the tests: Three reasons for standardized testing
Fordham 14
[http://edexcellence.net...\AARON CHURCHILL is a Ohio Research Director at the Thomas B. Fordham Institute]

At their core, standardized exams are designed to be objective measures. They assess students based on a similar set of questions, are given under nearly identical testing conditions, and are graded by a machine or blind reviewer. They are intended to provide an accurate, unfiltered measure of what a student knows.
Now, some have argued that teachers" grades are sufficient. But the reality is that teacher grading practices can be wildly uneven across schools"and even within them. For instance, one math teacher might be an extraordinarily lenient grader, while another might be brutally hard: Getting an A means something very different. Teacher grading can be subjective in other ways, including favoritism towards certain students, and it can find its basis in non-achievement factors like classroom behavior, participation, or attendance.

Can the Obama Administration Really Pare Back Standardized Testing?
Moser 15
http://www.slate.com...
Laura Moser, a writer for Slate's Schooled project, has written for the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, and Washingtonian.

Is President Barack Obama serious about changing American schoolchildren"s relationship with standardized testing, as he seemed to indicate last weekend? Can he really curtail the testing that has run rampant in our classrooms over the last decade and a half? And does he even want to?
Last Saturday, Obama"a longtime proponent of "accountability," that byword for these federal, state, and district tests kids are regularly taking to make sure their schools are educating them properly"made what appeared to be a big-deal announcement: American kids are tested too much, and it"s time we stepped back from the cliff.
Jh238335

Pro


On the mark: is standardized testing good for education? Hoffman99, Today's Parents 11-20 http://search.proquest.com...

Something has changed. For years we were content to sail along, secure in the belief that Canada had one of the world's best education systems. We looked around at our literate, economically successful democracy and thought, "We must be doing a good job of educating." But, at some point, that belief began to crumble. Maybe it was a reaction to more holistic education approaches introduced in the 1960s, and a growing perception that our schools turn out graduates who lack basic skills. Maybe it's because the most educated adult population in history has higher expectations of schools. Perhaps it's our shrinking global society. We know much more than we used to about what Japanese, German and American children learn in school. Do they learn times tables a grade earlier than our kids? Will that make them better software designers and widget-makers as adults?


Whatever the reason, we increasingly look to Standardized tests to see if our schools measure up -- seven of ten Canadian provinces, as well as the Yukon Territory, now have some form of regular testing , usually beginning in grade three or four. Greg Gribbon of Bradford, Ontario welcomes this trend. He wants testing to confirm what his six- and eight-year-old daughters are learning and to tell him whether the school is doing its job. For Gribbon, report cards and classroom marks aren't enough. "I've heard too many stories from parents who were told that their child was doing fine, only to find out in grade three and grade four that he couldn't read."

So, what's a good test? "It must have both validity and reliability," says David Ireland, a retired manager of research and evaluation for the former Carleton Board of Education in eastern Ontario. Validity means the test measures what you want it to measure -- for example, basic math skills. Reliability means that the same child would get the same result from one week to the next, no matter who was doing the marking.


Get Congress out of standardized testing Tribune 11 11-20 http://web.b.ebscohost.com...


Standardized testing is good for assessing the progress of a child's education and determining where to go next. That is, if the test is a diagnosis-type test. However, standardized testing -- the types done to comply with NCLB -- is seriously flawed. These tests aim to determine how a classroom, a school or a district stands in educating children. They are flawed partially because they encourage schools to teach to the test and partially because they fail to consider the contribution parents make or, more pointedly, fail to make. Teaching to the test only builds memorization skills, rather than understanding context, opinions and social aspects.


Data gathered from the survey reveal important information about the impact of testing.

Klein, Zevenbergen, and Brown 06 Klein, School of Education Zevenbergen, Department of Psychology Brown,Student Personnel Administrator 11/24

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This paper explores how teachers manage standardized testing in schools. A survey was distributed among 20 elementary, middle, and high school teachers in a semi-rural community of Western New York. The data gathered from the survey responses reveal important information about the impact of testing on teaching. Standardized testing affects many of the teachers' focus on instruction. In many cases, teachers prepare their students year-round. Teachers provide test-related, preparative instruction, which governs most of their curricula. A few teachers admit that testing allows them to develop more focused teaching experiences for their students. Insights gleaned from this research study reveal the need to address the many challenges teachers encounter related to standardized testing.
Debate Round No. 1
Michaelturtles

Con

Well in the first statement you had said that Canada was one of the worlds best education systems and it had turned but you only brought a prediction so if you could bring up why this happened that would be nice. Also you also said in the second paragraph that the parents aren't even aware of what or how the children is doing in the classroom so how do people even know the scores because sometimes the grades are incorrect and it maybe because of the teacher too. Standardized are important but their not always accurate so that's why we don't because kids need them for the future but what point in having them if they aren't accurate and in the last statement you were talking about how teachers "develop more focused teaching experiences for their students" I did not see a reason for as to how this is happening.I don't understand how they are learning anything if they only pass out the packets not saying that their not doing their jobs or anything I simply mean is I don't get how they are learning anything
Jh238335

Pro

For the Canada statement, I have nothing to respond to that besides the fact that I said they had one of the worlds best education systems. Not that that Canada was one of the worlds best education systems. I don't know if that is what you meant or not. I just wanted to make that clear.

Responding to your argument about "what point in having them if they aren't accurate" I would like to see your evidence on how you know they are not accurate. These test are graded by people we don't know. People who don't know us. These people know what they are doing. Some are probably professors in collage. Maybe even really smart people. They know what they are doing so these scores are right. Yes some scores may have been wrong, but that doesn't mean that they all are wrong.

Onto "develop more focused teaching experiences for their students" Teachers are not just handing out a packet about something students haven't learned. They don't say "We haven't learned this at all but take this test." They teach you what to do or they are refreshing your brian, because you have learned it in the past and they want to see what you rememeber. That is the only time I have had that happen.

Now to talk about your Arguments. You said that a typical student take 112 mandated standardized test between pre-k and 12th grade. Your making it sound like a lot of tests. When really it is only 8 Standarized test a grade. Which would mean only 1 standarized test a month. That is not bad. They are taking one every month to see how they are doing. So they actually can work what they know and do something with it that taking the Standarized test.

I would like to ask what you mean by "Designed to be objective measures." I'm not sure what you quit mean by that?

In your last statement you talk about Obama and if he is "serious about changing American schoolchildren"s relationship with standardized testing" Well that elections are almost over to see who are next president is. And your evidence was from 2015 and Obama hasn't done anything with it. So if you can find something about that. That would be great.
Debate Round No. 2
Michaelturtles

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