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Resolved: Oppressive government is more desirable than no government.

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Started: 6/24/2013 Category: Society
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jonathan_armstrong12

Pro

If this looks familiar, this is NFL's 2013 National Tournament Lincoln-Douglas topic. I really liked it so I figured I try it out.

A couple of rules/guidelines:
>Lincoln-Douglas Format.
>The first round will be simply for acceptance. Opening arguments will be presented in Round 2.


serenadeofsadness

Con

I accept.
Debate Round No. 1
jonathan_armstrong12

Pro

"If men were angels, no government would be necessary"-James Madison.

In any society it is imperative that citizens have a government. Like many other creatures human beings also have an inherent need to be led by an authoritative figure. Essentially, a government's obligation is to maintain structure and stability for its citizens. It is for these reasons and those that follow that I affirm the resolution RESOLVED: Oppressive government is more desirable than no government.

For clarification of today's round I offer the following definitions:

Oppression*- Unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power
Oppressive*- Unreasonably burdensome or severe
Government*-The complex of political institutions, laws, and customs through which the function of governing is carried out
Desirable*- Worth seeking or doing as advantageous, beneficial or wise: advisable.

The highest value to achieve is none other than that of Stability*. Stability is defined as the strength to stand/endure, which is every society requires. Stability is the most important value to uphold within today's round because without stability human beings cannot be expected to function efficiently. In an oppressed government there would inherently be laws/legislature to ensure stability and efficiency whereas in a government-less society there would be chaos. As philosopher Thomas Hobbes puts it, life without government would lead to "a war of all against all". No other value surpasses Stability based solely on the fact that it is the very force that allows people to prosper.

The criterion with which I will uphold my value is Security*. Security is defined as the quality or state of being secure; and/or free from danger. Security upholds stability because the two work together cohesively. Stability and Security can only function if they are both present. Stability cannot be exist unless there is security. Security is essential within today's round because without Security human beings would by default become unstable and therefore incapable of functioning efficiently.

Contention 1: A Government is essential for success.

First let us examine what it means to be a member of an organized society. A society is a community of people living in a particular region and having shared customs, laws, and organizations; these communities are formed for the sole purpose of protection from the outside world. In a state of nature, there are no laws that prevent foul acts such as rape, murder, assault, etc. from occurring. Living without a government can be quite hazardous; philosopher Thomas Hobbes states, "In such condition, there is no place for industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving, and removing, such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."[1] these conditions are not fit for survival. Now going back to my definition of "desirable" it goes without saying that the conditions mentioned above are not worth seeking or doing as advantageous or beneficial, instead they are chaotic. A government not only protects the rights of its citizens, it also wields the ability to provide food, shelter and water and much more. All of these things cannot be found in a state of nature as life would simply be a competition for survival. With that being said, a government in general is more stable and desirable than no government at all. This leads me to my next contention.

Contention 2: An Oppressive Government has shown success.
Contrary to popular belief, oppression can lead to success. China has been noted as one of the most successful countries of all time, and tends to rank substantially high in comparison to the rest of the world in: Education, Labor Force, and Exports. According to the CIA World Factbook China's success has been shown through its literacy rate of 92.2%, labor force of 795.4 million (#1 in comparison to other countries), $2.05 trillion worth of exports (#2 in comparison to other countries). In addition to this, China is also a world leader in gross value of industrial output; mining and ore processing, iron, steel, aluminum, and other metals, coal; machine building; armaments; textiles and apparel; petroleum; cement; chemicals; fertilizers; consumer products, including footwear, toys, and electronics; food processing; transportation equipment, including automobiles, rail cars and locomotives, ships, and aircraft; telecommunications equipment, commercial space launch vehicles, satellites.[2] By observing the evidence given, it goes without saying that success and stability are possible within an oppressive society.


Contention 3: Anarchism is not desirable.
Observing the resolution it is clear that in this case the obvious alternative to an oppressive government would be anarchism. By definition, anarchism literally means "without authority". Anarchism is an unorganized type of society that can only result in disaster. Without a government in place to protect the rights of the people, there would be no order. An society without order allows immoral acts to occur without consequences. These immoral acts would be the direct result of evil. As human beings there is an inherent possibility of evil that rests within us. According to an article written by professor Paul Formosa PhD from the University of Queensland [3], "Humans are the sorts of beings who are more than capable of intentionally and knowingly trampling all over their most sacred values, or even denying them, in order to perversely pursue ends in violation of the moral law. We are frail when we have to deceive ourselves about the evil-ness of our own acts, but we are perverse when such deception is not even necessary...Even a human moral saint is still no angel, and the possibility of “falling back” into evil (via a reverse dispositional revolution) remains always a very human possibility. As such, even for the very best of us, moral complacency and self-righteousness is to be avoided, for frailty and impurity are dangers we all potentially face. As humans, evil is beyond none of us."[4] One may argue that the simple possibility of evil is not evidence enough that anarchism would not be desirable; however when weighing the likelihood of someone abstaining from an evil act even though it would not be punished, it goes without saying that it is a risk that should not be taken.

In conclusion, it has been demonstrated through all 3 of my contentions that an oppressive government is in fact more desirable than no government.


Source(s):
*-Definitions were provided by http://www.merriam-webster.com...
[1] Chapter XIII, Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes: "Of the Natural Condition of Mankind As Concerning Their Felicity, and Misery."
[2] https://www.cia.gov...
[3] Paul Formosa's qualifications http://www.mq.edu.au...
[4] "Kant on the Radical Evil of Human Nature" http://www.academia.edu...
serenadeofsadness

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
jonathan_armstrong12

Pro

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serenadeofsadness

Con

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Pro

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serenadeofsadness

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
serenadeofsadness

Con

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