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I-am-a-panda
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oboeman
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Resolved: Patriotism should be taught to children in school.

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Started: 3/31/2009 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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I-am-a-panda

Pro

===DEFINITIONS:===

Patriotism: devoted love, support, and defence of one's country; national loyalty.

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PRO ARGUMENT #1: PATRIOTISM INCREASES INVOLVEMENT IN NATIONAL AFFAIRS
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When someone loves their country, it increases their interest in current affairs regarding the country.

- It can increase voter turnout, something which isn't high (61.6% in the 2008 elections) [http://www.politico.com...]. Schools already aim to achieve this therefore, patriotism would make it easier or even accomplish the task alone.

- It increases involvement in National politics.

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PRO ARGUMENT #2: PATRIOTISM HAS ECONOMIC BENEFITS
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- When someone is patriotic, they are less likely to emigrate to foreign countries. This obviously helps the economy.

- Patriotism increases goods bought that are made in one's country, therefore boosting the said countries economy.

I reserve the right to make further arguments and wish my opponent a good debate. I thank the judges and readers for reading.
oboeman

Con

I would like to thank my opponent, I-am-a-panda, for participating in this debate.

I negate the resolution.
Patriotism should NOT be taught to children in school.

This round will be brief.

Patriotism reduces self-confidence, firstly. It creates a system in which people doubt their abilities as citizens to change the country or have their say incorporated into governmental affairs.

Patriotism causes people to be criticized for questioning authority. Less questioning of authority essentially means the government is making decisions for the nation mostly by itself. The questioning of authority, even of governmental status, must be encouraged, rather than discouraged, as it leads to the bettering of the decisions made by the government. Having a government that admits that it is not always right on every issue and is willing to listen to the will of the citizens is much more superior.

In response to the arguments made by my opponent, people can still support their country without having to be 100% loyally adhering and devoted to each if its decisions.
While there are some economic benefits of said patriotism, it is still a concept not worthy of being taught in schools. It is far more important to have a system in which the government listens to the doubts of its people, rather than blindly supporting any turn they choose to prescribe. Patriotism, as described, defies this.

I also reserve the right to make further arguments in the next round as necessary.

Thanks to judges, any audience, etc. for reading this debate.
Cheers,
Oboeman.
Debate Round No. 1
I-am-a-panda

Pro

I would like to thank my opponent for his response, however, the tournament has a strict "Accept the debate within 2 days" rules . He accepted it after 2 had passed therefore, it is an auto-forfeit.
oboeman

Con

oboeman forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
I-am-a-panda

Pro

I-am-a-panda forfeited this round.
oboeman

Con

Even though this may count as a "win" for the Cazoic-tournament debate (due to trivial mistake), it is still logical to vote CON for this debate's affiliation with debate.org. That is, I refuted the arguments made by my opponent. Therefore, I ask that the debate.org audience logically vote CON. If my opponent would like to challenge me to a future debate, I would welcome it.

Cheers,
Oboeman
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by I-am-a-panda 8 years ago
I-am-a-panda
Mandatory learning of the Irish language is basically how it is done in Ireland.
Posted by RedDawnJensen 8 years ago
RedDawnJensen
Ohhhhhh alrighty then. In that case, I guess maybe. I dunno, would there be a patriotism class or something? Im just trying to imagine how it would work.
Posted by I-am-a-panda 8 years ago
I-am-a-panda
Spreading patriotism can include encouraging national/ local customs. RedDawn described nationalism, not patriotism.
Posted by RedDawnJensen 8 years ago
RedDawnJensen
Um, dont you think that the time should be spent actually EDUCATING the students about FACTS and letting them THINK FOR THEMSELVES instead of FORCING PROPAGANDA into their fragile, gullible, uneducated minds? All that thats going to do is create a bunch of uneducated idiots who go around shouting in blind alleigance about how their country is sooo asskickingly awesome without actually knowing abything about world powers, politics, weapons capabilities, economics, the sort of stuff that schools prepare students for?
Posted by I-am-a-panda 8 years ago
I-am-a-panda
Afraid not Oboeman, not enough time.
Posted by oboeman 8 years ago
oboeman
Hmmm, I assumed that that rule would logically change along with the extended time to post argument rounds. But I suppose that is correct. Hopefully that rule is changed in the future to a higher amount of days (as I was participating in a State Tournament until this week and didn't get the chance to login).
But the current rule is unfortunately as it stands.
Oh well, I would be up for finishing the debate for fun anyway...How about you?
Posted by I-am-a-panda 8 years ago
I-am-a-panda
Sadly, no. There are 2 time frames involved in this. There is the acceptance, and argument time frames. You have 2 days to accept the debate. You have 3 days to post an argument. Henceforth, you forfeited. "Rule #3: If the CON side does not accept the challenge within 2 days of it being posted by PRO, that person automatically forfeits the debate." http://site.cazoic.com...
Posted by oboeman 8 years ago
oboeman
If one looks at the cazoic.com website, they can see this:
"Time to Argue: *72 hours"
(It was recently changed from 48 to 72.)
Ergo, I am not in the wrong.
Posted by I-am-a-panda 8 years ago
I-am-a-panda
It's 2 days, man.
Posted by oboeman 8 years ago
oboeman
The opponent has three days to post his or her opening argument. I posted within that allotted time, from when the debate was originally sent.
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