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Resolved: Poseidon and prometheus were originally the same entity

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I will be arguing that Poseidon and prometheus were originally the same entity

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I accept.
Debate Round No. 1


Etymology of the name Poseidon

The Greek religion has its roots in Mycenaean mythology, and Poseidon was originally the head of the Mycenaean Pantheon. The Mycenaeans used Linear B script which descends from Cretan hieroglyphs.

Poseidon’s name in Linear B script was Po-se-da-o-ne. Po-se means “Lord”, “master”, or “Husband”, while Da-o-ne means “the Earth”. Poseidon’s name was literally “Lord of the Earth”.
Poseidon’s counterpart in Sumerian Mythology was Enki, whose name also means “Lord of the Earth”; En means “Lord”, and Ki means “Earth”. Enki was also the husband of the Earth.

Enki was the God of water, crafts, intelligence, and creation. He lived in an aquifer called the abzu, and he was the older brother to Enlil, Lord of the Wind. Enlil was the god of storms, and he lived in the e-kur, or mountain house. Likewise Poseidon lived in the Ocean, and was the older brother of Zeus, who was the god of thunder, and lived on Mount Olympus.

In the Sumerian myth of Enki and Ninmah, Enki created man from Clay. According to Greek mythology Prometheus also created man from clay.

PIE religion

The myth of Poseidon derives from the Proto-Indo-European religion. In the PIE religion Poseidon was known as *H2epom Nepots. *H2epom Nepots means “closely related to water”, or possibly “the water dweller”. It is from the name *H2epom Nepots that Poseidon’s Latin name, Neptūnus, is derived. *H2epom Nepots also influenced the Sumerian myth of Enki, and the Vedic myth of Apam Napat. Most of what we know of *H2epom Nepots comes from the myth of Apam Napat.

*H2epom Nepots was the God of water, and was considered the creator of mankind (like Enki). *H2epom Nepots was closely associated with a mythical fire-water. Sometimes this fire-water was depicted as volcanic magma, and other times it was depicted as salt-water. The Vedic god of fresh water, Apam Napat was often depicted as fire arising from water.
At the end of the Vedic hymn to Apam Napat, he is invoked as Agni, which in Sanskrit means “fire”. Agni was the God of Fire, and the son of Dyaus Pitar, the Sky father; Agni’s brother was Indra, the God of storms. Likewise *H2epom Nepots was the son of *Dyēus Ph2tēr, the sky father, and the brother of *perkwunos, the god of storms. Agni’s vehicle was a ram, and similarly Enki’s ship was called “the Ram of the Abzu”.

In the Rigveda Agni was referred to as “Mātariśvan”. In Vedic mythology Mātariśvan gave man the gift of fire, when he brought fire from heaven, and gave it to the Bhrigus Sages.

Similarly Prometheus stole fire from heaven, and gave it to man. The theft of fire and the creation of man are the two most significant events within the Prometheus myth. These prominent events link Prometheus to the myth of *H2epom Nepots, and to the myth of Enki. Agni is linked to Enki through the creation of man, and through the Ram Vahana; Enki is linked to Poseidon through the etymology of his name. *H2epom Nepots was the Proto-Indo-European myth that served as the basis for the myth of Poseidon, as well as the myth of Enki.


Both Prometheus and Poseidon were originally *H2epom Nepots in Proto-Indo-European mythology. Poseidon’s Latin name stems from *H2epom Nepots, while his Greek name shares a common origin with Enki. Like Prometheus Enki created man from clay, and like Agni, Enki traveled on a Ram; *H2epom Nepots was also depicted as the creator of mankind. Agni created mankind, and brought fire to man from the heavens, just as Prometheus created mankind, and brought fire to man from the heavens. Like Poseidon, and Enki, Agni was derived from the Proto-Indo-European myth of *H2epom Nepots.



Theqeustioner forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2



Due to the FF all my first round arguments have been dropped. I will now move on to new arguments.

The Flood

In Sumerian mythology Enlil, the God of storms, became angry with humanity. Enlil sent a flood to wipe out the humanity, but his older brother, Enki, warns Ziusudra, the ruler of Shuruppak, of the impending flood. Enki instructs Ziusudra to build a boat, in order to save his family and lifestock. The flood lasted 7 days, after which Ziusudra made sacrifices and prostrated himself before An, the God of the Sky, and Enlil, the God of the storms.

In Greek mythology King Lycaon of Arcadia fed Zeus the flesh of his own son. Zeus became angry with King Lycaon, and turned him into a wolf. Zeus than flooded the Earth, in order to punish humanity for Lycaon’s sins; only those who fled into the mountains survived. Prometheus warned his son, Deucalion, king of Phthia, of the impending flood. Deucalion and his family took refuge in a wooden chest. The flood lasted 9 days, after which Deucalion made sacrifices to Zeus, who is both the God of the sky and the God of storms.

The two deluge myths are nearly identical; the only major plot difference is that Prometheus, rather than Poseidon, saved Deucalion from the deluge.


The Greek myth of Poseidon is equivalent to the Sumerian myth of Enki, the Vedic myth of Agni, and the PIE myth of *H2epom Nepot.
The Greek myth of Prometheus is equivalent to the Vedic myth of Agni, and the PIE myth of *H2epom Nepot. The Greek myth of the Deucalion Deluge is equivalent to the Sumerian Deluge myth; in the Deucalion Deluge myth Prometheus is equated with Enki of the Sumerian Deluge myth.
Both Poseidon and Prometheus are equated with the Sumerian God Enki, the Vedic God Agni, and the PIE god *H2epom Nepot. Because of this we can safely assume that Poseidon and Prometheus were derived from the same God at some point in time. We can also conclude that because the Greek religion is has its roots in the Proto-Indo-European religion, and because both Poseidon and Prometheus derive from the same PIE deity, that Poseidon and Prometheus were originally the same deity.



first to understand who these people were. Poseidon:Greek god of the sea. Son of Kronos and Rhea. He and his siblings were swallowed by Kronos, but they were later rescued by their brother Zeus. The brothers Zeus, Poseidon and Hades later divided the world among themselves, with Poseidon receiving dominion over the sea. His chief consort was Amphitrite. Father of Antaios, Orion and Polyphemos. Poseidon was secondarily a god of mariners (to whom he may send storms or a fair voyage), of waters in general, and of earthquakes. In the latter capacity he was known as Enosigaios or Enosichthon, meaning "earth-shaker". Athena defeated Poseidon in their famous contest for the allegiance of Athens. While Poseidon offered humanity the boon of the horse, Athena offered the olive. Elsewhere, he helped Apollo build the walls of Troy. However, he became an implacable enemy of Troy after Laomedon refused to pay him, and he sided with the Greeks in the Trojan War. Poseidon was closely associated with horses as Hippios ("of horses"), and the horse was sacred to him. He fathered many famous horses, including the winged Pegasus by the Gorgon Medusa, and another winged horse, Areon, by Erinys. In Corinth, horse-races were held in his honour. On Argos horses were sacrificed to him by drowning in a whirlpool. Poseidon was generally depicted as an older, bearded man carrying a trident (the three-pronged fisherman's spear). There were temples at Cape Sunium, the southern-most tip of Greece, at Pylos in Crete, and Mount Mykale in Greek Anatolia. Freshwater springs were often consecrated to Poseidon as well. As an oracular deity, he had an oracle at Cape Tainairon and, according to one tradition, he was the first keeper of the oracle at Delphi. Regattas were held in his honour off Cape Sunium. Poseidon's chief festival was the Isthmia, scene of the Isthmian Games, celebrated near the Isthmus of Corinth.

Prometheus:Greek god and culture hero. Son of the Titan Iapetos and Klymene. Prometheus is best known for the story of his conflict with Zeus. This began when Prometheus tricked Zeus into accepting the bones and fat of a sacrifice instead of the meat. Zeus retaliated by hiding fire from humanity, but Prometheus stole the fire and gave it to mankind. As punishment for this rebellion, Zeus had Prometheus chained to a rock in the Caucasus Mountains, where an eagle fed on his liver, which continually restored itself. Zeus also sent Pandora and her jar of evils to even the score with humanity. As for Prometheus, Herakles eventually killed the eagle and released him. As a culture hero, Prometheus was also given credit for teaching humanity various handicrafts and arts, and he was considered a patron of craftsmen and artisans. According to another tradition, Prometheus actually created humanity, shaping the first man and woman out of clay and water.
Debate Round No. 3


Dropped Arguments

Con didn’t refute any of my arguments. Con dropped every single one of my arguments.


Con didn’t really argue any points; he just listed off a bunch of facts about Poseidon and Prometheus. I will not contend the existence of these myths, because these myths support my point.

Prometheus-Enki Connection

As Con so kindly pointed out, Prometheus was credited with bringing arts and crafts to humanity, and Prometheus was credited with making man out of clay. As I mentioned in the last round, Prometheus also saved mankind from a flood. The Sumerian God Enki shares all of these attributes with Prometheus. It was Enki who brought arts and crafts to humanity, it was Enki who created man from clay, and it was Enki who saved man from the flood.

Poseidon-Enki Connection

As I mentioned before, “Enki” and “Poseidon” both mean “Lord of the Earth”. Enki and Poseidon were both sea gods, they were both the older brother of a storm god (Zeus/Enlil) that served as the head of the pantheon, and they both were the son of the progenitor of the gods (Cronus/An). Both Poseidon and Enki shared a close relation to the sun god (Apollo/Utu), which was the son of the storm god (Zeus/Enlil).

Prometheus-Agni Connection

As Mātariśvan, Agni brought fire to mankind from the heavens. As Apam Napat, Agni created mankind. Prometheus brought fire to mankind from the heavens, and created mankind from clay.

Poseidon-Agni Connection

Like Poseidon, Agni was the brother of the storm god (Zeus/Indra), and the son of the progenitor of the gods (Cronus/ Dyauṣpitṛ). Poseidon’s Latin name is Neptūnus, which like Apam Napat derives from the Proto-Indo-European *H2epom Nepots. Apam Napat is the Vedic god of fresh water, and is one of the many names of Agni.

*H2epom Nepots Origin

Both Prometheus and Poseidon share a common origin. Both originate from the proto-Indo-European myth of *H2epom Nepots. Poseidon and Prometheus was originally the same entity.



Theqeustioner forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4


Con didn't refute any of my points, therefore the BOP has been met


when Ulysses fights against Polyphem on his return to Ithaque from the war of Troy.

Polyphem probably expresses the Milky Way (a Polyphem whose name, with its " poly " particle, points out to the various aspects of the figure).

As for Ulysses himself, we can see in him, either the sun, or the Sagittarius constellation (himself being an excellent archer, as proves Ulysses during the concourse organised, in Ithaque, by his wife Penelope).

But here is the trick : Homer tells us, in the book of Iliad, that the giant Polyphem joins Ulysses and his fellowship, inside the cave occupied so far by them.

One can thus conclude that Polyphem, whose home is the cave, embodies a celestial figure that remains behind them, and not before them, on the celestial planisphere.

And because of it, if Polyphem is the Milky way, as we assume he is, we cannot conclude that Ulysses is the Sagittarius constellation.

But let us assume, for a while, that the Sagittarius, instead of leaving the visible part of the celestial planisphere, has just appeared in it (a part which locates on the opposite side, on the planisphere, than that left by the constellations when they desappear into the invisible part of the celestial planisphere).

Insofar Ulysses remains, at that very moment, inside the Milky Way with his fellowship, it means that Polyphem remains behind them when both them cross the visible part of the celestial planisphere (in the southern part of it) from east to west.

And when Homer tells us that Polyphem pushes the herd that stands in front of him, before joining Ulysses and his fellowship into the cave (a cave which entrance is blocked with a big stone), this herd is embodied by the clouds of the Milky Way.

Now let us assume that Polyphem was the same figure as Proteus.

According to the legend, Proteus was living in the Pharos Island locating in front of the city of Alexandria, and was guarding there the herds of Neptune.

Himself, Proteus, being a magician able to adopt various physical aspects so that nobody can recognize him, is nothing else, in the sabean religion, as the Monoceros when this one is guarding, for a Neptune represented either by the Taurus or by Orion, herds in which we can see the clouds of the Milky Way.

By analogy, we can assume that the Monoceros is named, with its cyclop figure, Polyphem, when the latter meets Ulysses and his fellowship inside the cave, before being killed there by Ulysses.

But maybe the cyclop Polyphem, with his giant profile, was the Millky Way.

As for Ulysses himself, assuming he embodies the Sagittarius, he pierces the eyes of the Cyclop with a stake that is represented either by the Libra or by Ophiucus

As for the eye of the cyclop Polyphem, assuming the latter is the Milky Way, we do not know, as for us, with regard to the shape and to the big size of the latter, which constellation it may match.


Now, let us assume that the giant had three heads instead of having one head with three eyes.

That three headed figure, had, in Greece, for equivalent, the three Cyclops named respectively Arg"s, St"rop"s and Bront"s by Hesiod (the first one expressing the flash of lightning, the second one expressing the lightning itself, and the third one expressing the thunderstorm - all of them being precipitated to hells, firstly by Ouranos and secondly by Cronos, before being saved by Zeus (himself, Zeus, making of them his allies during his struggle against the Titans).

According to the legend, the three cylops had given Hades a helmet having the power to make him invisible, and they had given Poseidon a trident that had the power to enfuriate the Aegean Sea and to create big storms cast by the god upon the greek continent, or, on the contrary, to calm the sea and put a end to the storms.

Assuming that Hades is the Hydra, its helmet is the Cancer.

And assuming Ouranos is embodying Orion, and Cronos is embodyng the Monoceros, the Cyclops are, indeed, other figures than these very constellations.

Now, let us assume that the Titans were figured by the clouds of the Milky Way.

In this case, the Leo (whose poetic name is Zeus) fights against them with the support of Cyclops who are now constellations instead of being the clouds of the Milky Way.

If our interpretation is correct, the Cyclops are either the three parts of the Monoceros, or the stars belonging to the Canis Minor (the latter having, in this circumstance, three stars instead of two), or, finally, constellations like the Sextant, the Crater and the Corvus (which presupposes that the Titans are themselves the numerous segments of the Hydra instead of being the clouds of the Milky Way).

Now, if Poseidon was himself the Taurus or Orion, in that case the Cyclops are more likely embodying the three parts of the Monoceros.

As for the trident hold by Poseidon, if Poseidon is the Taurus, we can identify this instrument (with its three teeth, or its three heads) with the three stars of the Orion"s Belt, a Belt that is fathering a storm now represented by Eridanus.

According to the legend, the three Cyclops had been killed by Apollon (an Apollon who didn"t like to see them produce for Zeus the lightning used by him to hit to death his son Asclepios).

Apollon is here either the Leo or the Dragon.


To return to the Titans, when Zeus fights against them with the help of the three Cyclops, themselves, Titans, are the clouds of the Milky Way.

On the other hand, when the Titans (and, among them, Cronos and Prometheus) are the sons of both Ouranos and Gaia, themselves, instead of embodying the clouds of the Milky Way, are constellations having themselves a close connection to it.

And if Cronos is the Monoceros, we can also see in Prometheus the same constellation.

According to the legend, Cronos, fearing to be killed by one of his sons (who are here the Olympians), might have swallowed or devoured all of his sons if his wife Rhea had not hidden Zeus, so that to protect him, and if she had not given his consort a stone wrapped up into the cloth of the young Zeus, so that to let him believe he is swallowing the new born child by swallowing the stone.

As for the young Zeus himself, after having been hidden into a cave of the mountain of the Crete island, he is fed and brought up there both by the bee goddess, who gives him her honey, and the goat goddess, who gives im her milk.

We shall note that the young hero hidden in the cave is named Abraham when the cave itself is named Cutha, an Abraham who is fed, there, by the miraculous honey sticking on his thumb.

To return to the Zeus story, in that story, Cronos, his father, is a Monoceros whose purpose is to swallows the clouds of the Milky Way.

And because the cave of the Mont Ida of the Crete serves as refuge for a Leo named Zeus, that means that that Leo is remaining, at that very moment, in the invisible part of the celestial planisphere.

As for the she-bee (her poetic name is Melissa) and for the she-goat (he poetic name is Amalthea) whose purpose is to feed Zeus and make him grow, the former one is the Ursa Major, compared with a latter who is, either the Berenice"Hair or the Virgo.

And if Amalthea is the Virgo, her milk, whose purpose is to feed the young Zeus (alias the young Leo), is the star Alpha vir (alias, the Spica).

Anyway, the young Zeus, with help of Melissa and Amalthea, can grow in the cave and become strong enough to fight victoriously the Titans (Titans i can identify here with the clouds of the Milky Way).

As for the Curetres who are surrounding the cradle of Zeus with their weapons and are making noise by hitting drums with their weapons in order to cover the cries of the young Zeus and prevent him to be found by his father, we can see in them the stars associated, either with the Cancer, or with constellations as Antlia or the Vela.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by DanT 4 years ago
Poseidon and prometheus from Greek mythology. But I will be bringing up associated myths as well
Posted by Dovahkiin117 4 years ago
Greek myth, or something else?
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