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Cherymenthol
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Resolved: Public Health Concerns Justify Compulsory immunization.

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Cherymenthol
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Started: 12/16/2009 Category: Politics
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Cherymenthol

Con

Short LD:

ROUND 1: PRO Speech
ROUNDS 2: CON SPEECH/REBUTTAL, REBUTTAL

Thank you future competitor and good luck.
username03

Pro

I don't know why I clicked the button, I just wanted to... sorry but I'm not in lincoln douglas
Debate Round No. 1
Cherymenthol

Con

... I truthfully do not know how to respond to my opponents argument.... All I can say is look up LD debate and do your best to follow the structure. And for future reference it is considered polite to comment questions before accepting a debate... I hope you can post and refute.

None the less here is my Case

IF WE OVERSHOT OUR CARRYING CAPACITY. WE, AS A SPECIES, WILL BE ON THE BRINK OF EXTINCTION. Zerker 2008 [Sally F., professor emeritus and senior scholar at York University, National Post, "Malthus was right", 7/11/08

Malthus saw the 18th-century phenomenon of continuous population increase as a threat to human civilization. Left unchecked, be believed, populations would double themselves every 25 years, a growth rate that would quickly outstrip the available food supply. This Malthusian idea soon took on the mantra of certainty: Unlimited population growth has only ended in disastrous famines and starvation.

In recent months, food prices have risen dramatically and suddenly. In the past year, the price of wheat is up 120%. The costs of cooking oil, rice and other staples have doubled since January. For the 1.5-billion people who live on less than $2 a day, food typically accounts for almost their entire meager budget. Soaring food prices represent a calamity for these people, which explains why: At current inflated prices, we can expect outright starvation in the poorer regions of the world why food riots have broken out across the globe.

But it is not only the dramatic rise in food prices that are a clear indignation of this eminent threat, A study by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) called the Global Environment Outlook [2] which involved 1,400 scientists and took five years to prepare comes to similar conclusions. It "found that human consumption had far outstripped available resources. Each person on Earth now requires a third more land to supply his or her needs than the planet can supply." It faults a failure to "respond to or recognize the magnitude of the challenges facing the people and the environment of the planet... 'The systematic destruction of the Earth's natural and nature-based resources has reached a point where the economic viability of economies is being challenged - and where the bill we hand to our children may prove impossible to pay'.

For these reasons and more I value Quality Life, in this aspect of the word I mean it to occur when an individual is able to reach and acquire the maximum amount of resources needed. When this occurs an individual is able to flourish and can truly be happy because he has had more than just his basic needs met. (means of measuring) the most commonly used international measure of development is the Human Development Index (HDI), which combines measures of life expectancy, education, and standard of living, in an attempt to quantify the options available to individuals within a given society. The HDI is used by the United Nations Development Programme in their Human Development Reports. And in order to achieve quality life we must ensure my value criterion, of not exceeding the carrying capacity, is preserved. Carry capacity is the population size of the species that the environment can sustain indefinitely, given the food, habitat, water and other necessities available in the environment. In comparison to the human race we can see that resources are strained to the point where humans cannot live comfortably and safely, all in all it is safe to say that human beings are overpopulated. Overpopulated does not depend only on the size or density of the population, but on the ratio of population to available sustainable resources.

Contention 1) DISEASE PLAYS A MAJOR ROLE IN CHECKING POPULATION EXPANSION. MODERN MEDICINE HAS DESTROYED THIS NATURAL CHECK. Hardin 1991 [Garret, PROFESSOR EMERITUS HUMAN ECOLOGY AT UCSB, "From Shortage to Longage: Forty Years in the Population Vineyards"

The potential of exponential growth in the human population is a standing threat of human welfare. Until very recently, however, this threat was mitigated by the sporadic eruption of such crowd-diseases as dysentery, cholera and plague which, at their worst, could wipe out a quarter to a half of a population in a year or two.
Or is viruses, such as Adeno-associated virus; which acts by rendering males infertile, were to occur infertility on a large-scale would happen, causing a mass scale viral epidemic and thus resulting in a natural human population-control over time.
However supposed "pre-cautionary" measures such as inoculation and vaccination has made it so disease and viruses such as these are unable to occur and to and ensure the population is in check. This is true because the fact of the matter is that vaccinations work. As my opponent surly agrees and has expressed in their case "Vaccines save lives". However as I have proved this is where the problem occurs. When vaccinations save the lives of individuals who ought to have been sickened and possibly killed by nature we are tampering with the cycle of life. Once again when vaccinations prevent nature from performing customary population checks, the world becomes overpopulated and the overall value of life for individuals diminishes for all.

Contention 2) OVERPOPULATION LEADS TO GENOCIDAL WARS. Kodel 2004 [Gary S., M.D., family physician in private practice in Los Angeles, volunteer for The Children's Nature Institute, 2004, World Future Society, Global Strategies Forum "Why Are We So Vulnerable?"

Overpopulation caused crowded living conditions with enhanced competition for scarce resources, which contributed to the development of a style of war unique to civilization: the destruction of human cultures causing reductions in human diversity - genocide - rendering humanity vulnerable to changes leading to human extinction.
A clear example of this is the situation currently underway in Darfur. Darfur's current genocidal warfare can blamed on overpopulation. The gradual reduction in annual precipitation, coupled with a growing population, had begun a cycle in which increased use of arable land along the southern edge of the Sahara increased the rate of desertification, which in turn increased the use of the remaining arable land. As a result the region was plunged into a horrific famine.
As we can clearly see the situation in Darfur is horrendous and due to the fact that the population wasn't checked a genocidal war broke out, which sadly will most likely lead to the extinction of yet another culture.

username03

Pro

username03 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by Metz 6 years ago
Metz
Indeed. Malthus is quite fun to debate, and can be very interesting.
Posted by Cherymenthol 6 years ago
Cherymenthol
I agree 100% how can people stand around allowing others to die, and furthermore for their own benifit, but in order to be a good debater once must learn to debate positions WELL that he especially he doesn't like.
Posted by Metz 6 years ago
Metz
Malthus?? Malthus?? *cries inside* Its a really interesting position but I just find it to be fundamentally immoral.....
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