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Debatenewbie14
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dan1
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Resolved: Public high school students in the United States ought not be required to pass standardize

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/21/2009 Category: Society
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Debatenewbie14

Con

ok i really need help on my aff case so if you could post some good contentions that would like amazing. I have some ideas for a neg but it isnt done so who ever does this you dont have to do really anything other than help with contentions. thanks
dan1

Pro

I would ask my opponent to put his neg ideas in the comment section.'

Contentions:

Contention 1: Standardized exit exams are unfair to students in districts that have greater needs and fewer resources

Sub-point A:
There is a better chance that privileged children will pass the tests, because the tests are biased. Many standardized tests are unfair, because they require knowledge and skills more likely to be possessed by children from a privileged background. This discrimination is normally shown in norm-referenced tests where the goal is to spread out the scores often creates questions that require knowledge gained outside of school. This provides a great advantage to those students whose parents are wealthy and well-educated. This is unfair to minorities that do not have these experiences that are needed to pass the tests. For instance, according to CEP figures, on the first attempt to pass the state exit exam last year, there was a gap of more than 40 percentage points between the pass rates of white and black students.

Contention 2: Perverseness in Public Schools
Joel Klein, the man in charge of public schools in NYC, lists perverse incentives, States are rewarded for increasing the proportion of students who pass their exams, but not for raising a child's score from low to nearly good enough to pass, or brilliant. So they are tempted to lavish attention on those on the cusp of passing, while neglecting the weakest and strongest students." As you can see from this quote a school is not rewarded for helping a way below average student to become average. So there is no incentive for the school to do so. So they only help the "on the cusp of passing students" so they can get rewarded, while they neglect the weakest and strongest students. Link this back to my VC of fairness.

Sub-point A: Tests limit schools
Standardized exit exams are extremely expensive. The state Department of Education says that it should cost about a total of 160 million dollars over six years to create and administer these tests. Schools across the US are cutting back on creative programs, such as the arts, sports, and music because of budgets, but they are creating these expensive exams. No one has the right to deprive students of the arts, because they think that these tests are more important. It's not fair that the Department of Education is choosing what the core subjects are. Creativity is an important part of the childhood of students. These exit exams are socially unequal and unfair.

Contention 3: Other nation's way of teaching students
According to the fair test website, the national website for open and fair testing they state," The U.S. is the only economically advanced nation to rely heavily on multiple-choice tests. Other nations use performance-based assessment where students are evaluated on the basis of real work such as essays, projects and activities. Ironically, because these nations do not focus on teaching to multiple choice tests, they even score higher than U.S. students on those kinds of tests." Other nations use these types of methods that require individual thinking and becoming independent and thinking for themselves. Finland teenagers are among the smartest in the world, and they have no exit exams to graduate high school. The public schools make sure that the teachers are well trained and responsible. And instead of pushing kids to GT, they help with the struggling students. Every teacher has a master degree, and the government gives them more freedom. The Finland dropout rate is 4% to US's 25. We need to adopt Finland's method

Contention 4: Standardized tests are useless.
New Jersey must have an educated work force with young men and women who can handle the demands of our technological age. For years, New Jersey has claimed to have the highest graduation rate in the nation. This is an absurd claim. Students in New Jersey high schools are required to pass the High School Proficiency Assessment (HSPA) in order to earn a diploma. According to Commissioner of Education, Lucille Davy, the HSPA is an eighth grade level test. A score of 47 percent is required to pass the language section and 50 percent to pass the mathematics section, scores that would be considered failing in most testing scales. If students fail the HSPA three times, they are eligible to have an alternative assessment conducted, the Special Review Assessment (SRA). Initially, the SRA was meant only for children with severe learning problems that prevented them from taking and passing the regular timed test. It was never meant for everyone who failed the HSPA. But, over time, the SRA was weakened until almost every child that failed the graduation test three times was given the opportunity to take the SRA. In fact, according to Rev. Reginald Jackson of the Black Ministers' Council in testimony he gave before the State Board of Education in April, nearly 20 percent of New Jersey students receive their diploma through the SRA. If we subtract the children who are given this back door diploma, New Jersey ranks in the mid-range of the United States graduation rate, not first. We need a test that means something. If a child does not have a severe physical or mental problem he or she should
Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by Debatenewbie14 6 years ago
Debatenewbie14
really who voted for me i didnt
Posted by Sniperjake1994 7 years ago
Sniperjake1994
Dan1, next time jest give stocked ideas. Because according to your profile/debates you lost quite a few with that case.
Posted by dan1 7 years ago
dan1
VP: Quality Education

VC: Fairness
Posted by asiansarentnerdy 7 years ago
asiansarentnerdy
@ dan1,

what was your value/ value criterion for your aff case?
Posted by dan1 7 years ago
dan1
read his argument

"ok i really need help on my aff case"
Posted by Sniperjake1994 7 years ago
Sniperjake1994
I agree with Danger. Negation's position can be backed with philosophical ideals.

Dan1: I don't know what you mean, she wanted neg ideas not aff.
Posted by Charlie_Danger 7 years ago
Charlie_Danger
I have three NEG cases already, and I don't have to debate until October. Why does everyone find that side of the Resolution hard to advocate?
Posted by dan1 7 years ago
dan1
no he just needed AFF ideas
Posted by Sniperjake1994 7 years ago
Sniperjake1994
No values, value C? This is all stocked@!@$!
Posted by Narwal19 7 years ago
Narwal19
Negating should be easy. It's all about the furture/utitlitarism.
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