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Pluto2493
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NonZeroBubble
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Resolved: Teachers should address students as "Mister/Sir" and "Miss/Misses."

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Started: 1/15/2008 Category: Education
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Pluto2493

Pro

Addressing a person as Mister would be beneficial. Calling someone a proper name is much more professional than if a teacher addresses a student by their first name, even though they are not on a first name basis. Calling someone a name with respect would make that person feel better and more important.

From personal experience, I don't like it when teachers call me by just my last name. This sounds like its coming from some bully or a guy I don't like. Calling students by first name has become customary, but it is unfair that we MUST call them by their last name and they can choose whatever they want.

Yes, I understand we should respect our elders. But, should not the students be treated with the same respect? After all, children are the future. They could very well take those teachers jobs one day.
NonZeroBubble

Con

This would create atmosphere we do not want. As if school doesn't put enough pressure and raise the intenisy on kids. To make the school enviroment more serious, formal, and tense is not something we want. Try to leave the school atmosphere relaxing and laid-back as possible. I think teahcers should have to be called by using those remarks but i think it is only so to keep and ceertain order and give teachers a lil respect. As far as teachers using the remarks for kids may seem unfair but it will certainly not be good for the educational enviroment.
Debate Round No. 1
Pluto2493

Pro

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This would not put any pressure on kids. As I have stated, it would boost self confidence and make the student feel better. What teachers are doing now is frankly insulting, and putting this plan into action would create a sustainable atmosphere for kids to be open with their teachers.

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There are just some places you have to be formal, and school is one of them. It would not be in anyone's intrest to act laid back at a formal place. For instance, I heard a teacher yell and rant at a student because the student called him 'dude'. You are always going to have to speak with a formal rhetoric at sometimes in your life, and what better way than school.

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First of all, I didn't understand the first part of that sentence.
Second, using this plan would make MORE order. Students would be more relaxed, less stressed, and would feel more open to share ideas.
As for respect, as I have said, students should have the same respect that teachers do. Students are humans, students will be adults, adults were once students. Pardon me for believing that all people are equal.

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First of all, there is no reason behind this argument. All my formatable opponent says is 'it would not be good'. As far as I'm concered, an empty argument should not be evaluated until there is a warrant.
But to answer the argument, it would be good which I will be covering in my overview.

Right now.

So, all in all, I affirm the resolution "Resolved: Teachers should address students as "Mister/Sir" and "Miss/Misses."
I believe this for these reasons:
All people are created equal, there is no 'superior' in society. While it may be a sign of respect, Children and schoalars should be treated with respect also.
The status quo allows teachers to call students anything, while if a student calls a teacher 'dude' jokingly, the teacher has the right to discipline. Providing a clear name would be valuable to both parties.
This plan would boost confidence among the students. They can also feel more important and professional.
NonZeroBubble

Con

It would defiantly create an atmosphere we do not want. And in addition to the other points, there would be so much confusion as to who the sir or miss was. By saying sir, all boys would respond and if the teacher tried to point out which kid he wanted to select, it might take an amount of time much more the what would be acceptable.
Debate Round No. 2
Pluto2493

Pro

I would first like to point out that there were no answers to my points in the last speech. I gave you three impacts of good things that could come, while the con gives you one why it will not. My arguments outweigh his because their would be much more good than bad with this.

Answers- 1) "It would defiantly create an atmosphere we do not want."

Again, the con gives you no reason behind this. This takes away my ability to argue because I don't know why he says this. An empty argument should not mean anything in this debate.
My Arguments still hold true, which were not answered by the con which are:
1st- students would actually feel MORE comfortable and be more open to share ideas.
2nd- It would create more order.
3rd- This would make schools more formal.
4th- There would be more respect for teachers as well as students.

2) "there would be so much confusion as to who the sir or miss was. By saying sir, all boys would respond and if the teacher tried to point out which kid he wanted to select, it might take an amount of time much more the what would be acceptable."

Really? I mean, c'mon. First of all, when there's one person you'll now who their talking about. When there's more than one, you still say their name.
Second, students call teachers mr and ms all the time. There isn't much confusion. Same thing in the military.
Third, This would actually help this cause. There are often times people with the same first name, and we waste the time of asking, "John who?" Using last names would be eaiser, you would always know who your talking about.
Fourth, even if this did happen, the confusion ends right there. How long would it take? 3 seconds? I can manage that.

My offense-
1) As I have said from the beginning, this would mean more respect for students and teachers. Students deserve the same respect.
2) Teachers now can often insult their students and get away with it. Providing a clear name would create clear bounds for what is acceptable and what is not.
3) Students would feel more respected and important. They in turn would be more open and less tense.

Vote pro.
NonZeroBubble

Con

To satrt out, it would most defiantly create confusion. If there was a whole room full of "Johns" and someone came in and said john what kind of response do you think you'd get. When addressing a student as sir/miss everyone boy or girl would be obligated to answer if not any student in the immediate vincity as the intended student. Secondas you mentioned before, the military, is a very serious and formal atmosphere, bring up the valid yet completely contrradicting to your arguement, example wan't the best idea. Yes they do this in the military (very serious atmosphere for ADULTS) in addition out of a whole group of privates, an officer says private, which one responds? Maybe they would say private.... to create less confusion. And usually when you talk about addressing a higher ranking individual, there is usually only one, per select group of soliders therefore making the private's job of responded the single "sir" easier
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by PeriodicPatriot 3 years ago
PeriodicPatriot
@Pro

What were you, raised in the military? You're basically saying to treat peoplebin the military
Posted by Zurwell 9 years ago
Zurwell
i know alot of kids that call teachers what ever they want and the teachers dont really care. and when i say "what ever they want" i dont mean like curse words. they give them nicknames and things like that.
Posted by ellyphant 9 years ago
ellyphant
The fact that teachers are called "Mr" or "Miss" by students is not just a mark of respect; it distinguishes the two parties, teachers and students. This might not be ideal, but it is necessary to keep the two groups separate; while friendship between adults and students is acceptable, the authority of the adult is vital to allow them to deliver information to their students in an effective manner. After all, "Mr" is simply an abbreviation of Master, a formal title for one's boss; while a teacher may work for the sake of the students, the students are apprentices of the teacher. Therefore, the title should only be applied in that one direction.

However, as none of these points were presented by NonZeroBubble, it seems Pluto won the debate.
Posted by mmadderom 9 years ago
mmadderom
You are trying to formalize a situation that requires a fairly relaxed atmosphere to be effective. It's not a matter of "respect", a concept that has completely evaded much of todays youth. You are taught that you call your teacher Mr. or Miss as a sign of respect and are here demanding the same in return. That's not what respect is about. Yes, calling your teacher Mr. X is a show of respect, but not just for the heck of it, or because they are older than you are. They deserve your recognition of respect because as your teacher they are your leader, not your peer. The same does not hold true in reverse.

This is the same reason why enlisted soldiers must salute officers. It is simply the recognition of leadership, not an attempt to dis-respect enlisted soldiers.
Posted by Pluto2493 9 years ago
Pluto2493
hey nonzero, happy debatings.
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