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Resolved:That on balance Brazil, Russia, China,India has had a positive impact on the United States

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Started: 2/8/2009 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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AnimeFanTony

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Resolved: That, on balance, the rise of Brazil, Russia, India, and China (BRIC) has had a positive impact on the United States.

Contention 1: Brazil
A. the Increased Trade with Brazil has Increased American profits. As Christopher McMullen, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Western Hemisphere Affairs Reports" "Brazil has enormous influence in Latin America. Brazil borders on ten countries and exerts profound economic and political influence on all of them."
Clare M. Ribando U.S Analyst in Latin American Affairs writes "Brazil is helping to improve the U.S. image in Latin America and lessen the influence of oil-rich Hugo Ch�vez of Venezuela". Julio Burdman, an Argentine political analyst, further noted "since the beginning of his second term, Lula began to compete vigorously to counter Hugo Chavez's aspirations as a regional leader." The Increased Brazilian Influence in South American has improved U.S Standing and has weakened the influence of Venezuala, a current Enemy of the U.S. Thomaz Alvares a Council on Hemispheric Affairs Research Associate Wrote "Washington thus needs a middle-man to mediate its relations with these leaders, and Brazil has been considering this interlocutor role as an avenue to consolidate its hemispheric leadership position." Brazil has increased U.S foreign Relations in South American and will inevitably continue to increase. Furthermore by increasing U.S. relations in South America Brazil will be encouraging other South American nations to trade with us furthering American trade. Also Brazil is one of America's top ten oil importers. By buying oil from Brazil as opposed to the Middle Eastern countries which support terrorism America can get oil with out helping terrorists. Therefore the Rise of Brazil is a definite positive impact on the United States.

Contention 2. Russia
Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice writes for a December 19th 2008 edition of the Washington post "We've had very good cooperation with Russia on global issues, whether it's terrorism or nuclear nonproliferation or really Iran or North Korea. We just sponsored with the Russians a Middle East resolution at the UN a couple days ago, on piracy. You name it." Russia is also the cofounder and cochairman with the United States of the Global Initiative to Combat Nuclear Terrorism. According to an Article done for the Washington Quarterly "This group of about 50 countries, some of which would have been reluctant to join if not for Russia's participation seeks to develop a framework in which they can prevent or respond to potential radiological attacks."

Contention 3: China
The Impact of China on the American Economy Is Substantial. Li Ruogu, Chairman and President of China's Exim Bank reports that ", low-priced and good-quality goods and services imported from China have raised the consumer surplus and eased the inflation pressure in the US" Global financial services provider Morgan Stanley reinforces this Saying "Trade with China in 2004 alone saved American consumers $100 billion and created 4 million new jobs." Ruogu continues saying that "US investments in China have yielded high returns. As of November 2007, US investors had poured in a total of $56 billion into 51,555 enterprises in China. These investments have obtained high returns and shared China's economic success." This creation of wealth for American Citizens and Business has had a Massive positive impact on the Economy of the United States. China has become one of the most important Figures in the American Economy. A study by the US-China Chamber of Commerce showed that "70 percent of American companies operating in China profited from their local businesses, and 42 percent of them reported profit margins in China higher than their global average." According to the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, "since 1990 the remittance of investment proceeds generated in China by US companies, not including retained earnings and reinvestments, has totaled $ 20.8 billion, which is about 8 percent of their global total ($270 billion) over the same period." The Massive Economic Gains of the U.S business shows that The Rise of the Chinese Economy has been a Massive benefit to the U.S economy.

Contention 4: India
The Belfar Center for Science and International Affairs Reports In 2007 that "in conjunction with the United States and the United Kingdom, India played a vital role in pressuring King Gyanendra of Nepal to reinstate democracy after he dismissed the government in February 2005 Additionally, New Delhi has invested about $750 million in building infrastructure and training security forces in Afghanistan." Any Assistance in Disaster relief and other such issues will inevitably save the U.S Money in the long run as well as expedite the end of these situations. The CIA has labeled India the most important "swing state" in international politics, predicting that by 2015 India would possess the fourth–most capable concentration of power in the international system. Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh Declared "Our relationship with the United States has never been in such good shape as it is today...." The United States has an Important Diplomatic Relationship with India. As India continues its rise, According to Raja Mohan Professor of South Asian Studies in Singapore, it will "increasingly be palpable on all issues of global importance, such as liberalizing global trade, mitigating the effects of global warming and constructing a regime for the steady reduction of worldwide carbon emissions, promoting liberal values in the world, and reconstructing global institutions to reflect changing realities on the ground." For these reasons I vote to affirm this resolution.
meespr

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First, hello to my opponent and good luck to you, sir or ma'am. To the point: the rise to prominence of Brazil, Russia, India and China in several areas does not have a positive impact on the United States, despite the logical arguments of my opponent.

Brazil is a huge nation. It is an industrialized, reasonably friendly capitalist nation and is by far the most influential country in the region. This is irrefutable. However it is not true that Brazil is significantly affecting Latin American opinion of the United States. Brazil is quiet on the subject. Not silent, just quiet. Venezuela, however, is very loud. And rabidly anti-American. And he exports his ideology through oil. And Brazil sits in the corner and mumbles "C'mon, they're not all bad..." I would ask Mr. Burdman what exactly President Lula is doing to counter Chavez' message, because it's not working. Look at the political leanings of all of the presidents of mainland South America. With the exception of President Uribe in Colombia, they are all politically mirror opposite to the United States. True we import a lot of oil from Brazil, but we import more from Venezuela, which seems counter-intuitive, just as an aside. Importing foreign oil at all takes money out of the US economy (even if it's just a little) and puts it in a foreign economy. Brazil's rise has promise, but right now it's sitting on the fence.

Russia. Oh, Russia. Land of fantastic authors and horrible leaders. First, I would like to submit something that the average outsider may not really know about diplomacy. Diplomacy for Dummies: Diplomats lie to each other. And then they go back and promulgate that lie and hope the warm-fuzzy feeling sticks. A really great example of this is Russia's position vs. their actions vis-a-vis both Iran and the Horn of Africa. In the realm of international relations, you can't tell a diplomat to get lost, no matter how badly you want to. So you smile and say "okay, we'll play ball" and then don't. Which is what Russia has been doing for the last 20 years. Regarding Iran, the tiff we've had with them over the nuclear plant at Bushehr? Guess who's building it. Russia. Regarding piracy, why do you think it's taken so long to get a security council permanent member to take some initiative in SECURITY operations? Because the US was taking the lead on it. There has been piracy in Somali waters since the mid 90s. There hasn't been a unanimous UNSC resolution on piracy until June 3, 2008. It took the hijacking of Russian crewed tankers to get them into the fight. Platitudes and empty promises given over one's shoulder does not, a positive relationship make. This is all aside from the fact that Russia is the ideological cousin to North Korea (which is a Stalinist nation, a la Joseph Stalin the Russian "Statesman") and we just finished a very quiet but pretty tense stand off with Russia in Georgia. Russia is not a negative, just not a positive. I have hope that someday their rise will be positive, but I just don't see it now.

India is busy dealing with Pakistan and China (did you know that?). They're not really rising, but they're a major power. Of the four countries mentioned, I think India is probably the most positive. Everything that India does is through the scope of the India/Pakistan feud. Until they start looking elsewhere, they'll never actually rise. King Gyanendra reinstated government because of the maoist students threatening violence. Again. International outcry against the King's actions were a minor factor. India's a swing state because it has so many people. Too bad it's supported by a system that keeps a huge number of people bizarrely poor and underfoot and a remarkable resistance to change, even progressive change.

China's rise to prominence is far from positive. At no point since the revolution has China shown the slightest sincere interest in any friendly interaction with the US aside from taking our jobs and money. They are the most financially and materially supportive to North Korea.

On the surface, it seems like these powerful nations are making a positive impact but a deeper analytical investigation reveals that there are other, perhaps opinion-swaying factors to consider. I'm not saying that their rise is negative, just not positive therefore I must vote against.
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