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Resolved: The Social Contract Theory ought to be valued over Justice

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/9/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Bobcat

Pro

I affirm that the resolution, Resolved: The Social Contract Theory ought to be valued over Justice. To do this I would like to offer these Definitions

Social Contract Theory-A theory that states giving up rights is needed in order to have rights and maintain order

Justice-The quality of being just or fair http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

Ought- The quality witch makes an action dutiful or marally obligatory

Affirm- confirm: establish or strengthen as with new evidence or facts http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

In the first round I would like My opponent to offer any new definitions and challenge any that he believes to be incorrect, and good luck to whoever accepts
Vi_Veri

Con

Here are additional specifications for the definitions I am including:

Justice: conformity to truth, fact, or reason : correctness (http://www.merriam-webster.com...)

Social Contract Theory: The view that persons' moral and/or political obligations are dependent upon a contract or agreement between them to form society.

Definitions are all my opponent provided, so my round ends here. Good luck to Pro for his opening argument.
Debate Round No. 1
Bobcat

Pro

Bobcat forfeited this round.
Vi_Veri

Con

I really hope I'm not going to be severely disappointed that I'm not going to get a debate out of this.....
Debate Round No. 2
Bobcat

Pro

Bobcat forfeited this round.
Vi_Veri

Con

Well this was a complete waste of my time.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Danielle 7 years ago
Danielle
No kidding.
Posted by Vi_Veri 7 years ago
Vi_Veri
Easy
Posted by Danielle 7 years ago
Danielle
JCMT, obviously I understand your point. That's why I gave the example of a situation where rights are being violated, he would deem it a necessary injustice if it supports the greater good even if it commits an injustice towards the individual who's getting hurt. In other words, consider the typical scenario of taking one life intentionally in order to spare 5 other lives. Killing the one person is obviously an injustice toward them, but if it's for the greater good, Pro is arguing that it'd be acceptable. It's basically an argument in favor of utilitarianism as a moral code.
Posted by JustCallMeTarzan 7 years ago
JustCallMeTarzan
Brian & Lwerd - both of those are just cases of quibbling about what justice means & what scope we should understand it in. Rawls' veil of ignorance answers both of those pretty well IMO.
Posted by Danielle 7 years ago
Danielle
If Pro could clarify a little further or give an example, I'd snatch this.
Posted by Danielle 7 years ago
Danielle
I think he means to say that in a situation where rights are being violated, he would deem it necessary if it supports the greater good even if it commits an injustice towards the individual who's getting hurt.
Posted by brian_eggleston 7 years ago
brian_eggleston
I'm not so sure of that.

For example, say that a man's brother was murdered but the perpetrator of the crime was deemed by the court to be mentally ill at the time and got off with ten years imprisonment for manslaughter due to diminished responsibility (this happens a lot, b/t/w).

The dead man's brother would likely say that justice hadn't been done and the killer should have got a life sentence.

But justice, under the law, was done - the fact that the victim's relatives may not see it that way doesn't alter that fact.
Posted by JustCallMeTarzan 7 years ago
JustCallMeTarzan
I'm a little confused... it's generally held that a social contract is a means to justice, not something set in opposition to it...
Posted by Danielle 7 years ago
Danielle
Meh. I might take this. I have a bunch of hw and I'm doing 5 debates right now lol so I'm not sure atm.
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