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Johnicle
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NorthBabylonBulldog
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Resolved: The USFG should substantially increase alternative energy incentives in the US.

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Started: 7/6/2008 Category: Miscellaneous
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Johnicle

Con

This is a policy debate with Inherency, Harms, Plan, Solvency, Disadvantages, Topicality's, Counter-Plans, and the works. Evidence is necessary to prove points that need it. Since I can't begin without an affirmative case, I will wait for my opponents case before beginning. The topic is the 2008-2009 NFL Policy debate topic:

Resolved: The United States federal government should substantially increase alternative energy incentives in the United States.

Thanks and good luck to my challenger!

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NorthBabylonBulldog

Pro

Please bear with me; this is my first-ever debate.
I would like to start by thanking my opponent for his provocative and poignant choice of debate topic.
And now, for my first-ever argument...

Resolved: The USFG should substantially increase alternative energy incentives in the US.

I. Alternative energy research and development is already happening at some levels within the Federal Government.
a. The United States Air Force, the largest consumer of energy in the Federal Government, is already working on its own alternative energy initiative to help it reduce its dependency on foreign oil.
-The plan also mandates tie-ins with the domestic aviation industry, domestic sourcing of fuel, and production on an industrial scale.
-These mandates are a direct boost to American industry and aviation.
-Domestic sourcing of fuel helps prevent the military from being in the position of having their fuel supply cut off by a foreign nation or nations. (1)

II. America's current approach involves letting the states and private industry lead the way in alternative energy source development and conservation.
a. There is no national coordination of state efforts, and private sector leadership has proven limited over the past 35 years.
b. The result is that the United States has among the highest energy usage per capita on earth and is a massive net importer of energy.(2)
c. For instance, although there are Federal solar-power initiatives, the most prominent ones are at the state level, and the states do not coordinate their policies as well as they could.

III. America's allies/economic competitors have national energy policies to some extent, have had them for quite some time, and all have achieved success in reducing their dependence on oil.(2)
a. Australia, Canada, and Mexico are actually energy self-sufficient.
b. The United Kingdom, starting in 1973 in the wake of the oil shock, used grants, loans, tax incentives, and conservation to reduce its demand for energy by 6% in nine years. Although the UK is not self-sufficient, it ranks with Italy as the most efficient users of energy in the developed world.
c. Canada made short-term, medium-term, and long term plans to develop indigenous alternative energy sources in response to the oil shock of 1973.
- Their solution involved tax incentives, conversion of industrial waste to energy, and use of the forest biomass as an alternative energy source.
- Today Canada is fossil-fuel self-sufficient.
d. Sweden created a national energy policy in 1975 in response to the oil shock of 1973. Sweden's plan involved a mix of conservation, low-cost loans, grants and tax disincentives to push its industry to use alternative energy sources.
e. Finland began researching its energy use in partnership with its private sector in 1980, and completed its report in 1982. Finland also enacted conservation measures.
f. France's national strategy involves conservation, use of indigenous resources, and diversification of energy sources.
- The private sector can take advantage of low-cost government loans to convert to plants that take advantage of alternative energy sources.

g. Greece enforced a national conservation act in 1980 and mandated that industry spend a percentage of their capital investment on making their facilities more efficient. In 1982, Greece made a grant available for companies that wished to switch to alternative energy sources.

IV. When there is a pressing national goal, the Federal Government actually has a solid track record in delivering nationwide solutions.
a. It is currently fashionable to downplay the competence and success of the Federal Government and to play up the competence and success of private industry. This has been in vogue since the Reagan Administration. Although it is true that the Federal Government can produce shining moments of incompetence like the response to Hurricane Katrina and the government shutdowns of the 1990s, the fact is that when the country is united and is pulling in one direction, the Federal Government can deliver success in its programs.
b. When Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan posed a threat to the United States, the US military under the command of the Federal Government was able to deal with the threat in a way that private industry alone or the states alone simply could not.
c. The Federal Government successfully built and maintained the Federal Highway system when it became evident that goods and services needed to flow through the country more efficiently.
d. The Federal Government successfully put a man on the moon, and the spinoff products from that triumph are still helping society today.
e. The Federal Governmemt needed a way to maintain communications between parts of the country during an emergency, and it created DARPA which became the World Wide Web.
f. The Federal Government delivered the Social Security program, helping countless millions of people, and its finances are still solid today.
g. The Federal Government successfully pursued the Cold War and rolled back Communism, and successfully administered the Marshall Plan which saved Western Europe.
A nationwide alternative energy push with as much fanfare and national support as the Space Race or the Berlin Airlift could prove successful here as it has in Britain, France, Canada, Greece, and elsewhere.

V. More reliance on US-based alternative energy sources will result in immediate, tangible benefits:
a. The US can reduce its exposure to troubled parts of the world.
-We can reduce foreign entanglements if we are not addicted to the oil that comes largely from far-flung regions of the world like Central Asia, the Middle East, and Latin America.
-The US military would be freed from some foreign adventures. The United States is involved in Afghanistan to secure a gas pipeline(4)(5)(6). The United States is in Iraq to secure a source of oil, at least according to former Fed chairman Alan Greenspan (7). The resources spent fighting in these two countries to secure energy sources could be spent more wisely back home if there were a national alternative energy policy that focused on the resources found here in the United States.
-The US may finally reach a point where it is a net energy exporter, and then countries will pay the US for energy instead of the other way around.
b. The search for indigenous, alternative energy sources can be an engine for growth. The incentives may spur public and private development of workable solutions and create jobs for Americans in the process, as the space program put many engineers to work for years.

Although there are substantial state and local-level programs in place as well as private sector programs in place, these have proven not up to the task of freeing the nation from its costly dependence on foreign energy sources. The problem is of a nationwide scope, and the solution should be designed and implemented on a nationwide level as only the Federal Government can do. This dependence is drawing the US military into places it should not be, and is weakening the United States financially. There are several examples around the world of nations who have increased alternative energy incentives and combined these with conservation and have achieved success. Doing so can create jobs in the US, increase American energy independence, and remove the need to patrol foreign territory and engage in foreign wars to ensure American energy sources.

In conclusion, The United States should combine searching for indigenous, renewable forms of energy and conservation as part of a Federal-level national strategy to strengthen the United States on many levels.

Thank you for your time.
Debate Round No. 1
Johnicle

Con

It seems my opponent hasn't ever done a Policy Round. He has no Inherency, Harms, Plan, or Solvency. He only argues that we should do it but offers no specific way TO do it.

OFF CASE:

I and II.--> If research is already happening, why should we INCREASE INCENTIVES? There is no reason if there is already a good enough effort. Cross apply his Contention I (and II) against IV and V where he says that they should because the U.S. has a good track record with it. He essentially argues that Status Quo is already good enough, but that is CON'S job.

III.--> Just because we decrease our dependence on oil doesn't mean that we have to increase alternative energy incentives. Fine, decrease dependence on oil, but there is NO reason to increase other energy incentives and there is NO reason as to HOW to do it.

IV and V.--> It's great that my opponent puts so much trust in the U.S., however, he MUST present a plan as to HOW the USFG will accomplish this. If it is so possible, PROVE that you can substantially increase alternative energy incentives.

In the end- My opponent has offered NOTHING that a policy round needs, and in response, I am not able to run anything "policy"… The only thing I COULD run is topicality but that would just get old with how many that I would run. I COULD also run a counterplan, but there isn't even a plan in the first place. It's impossible for me to run a Disadvantage, but there is no plan OR solvency claim for me to attack. Finally I COULD run a Kritik, but by this point, he hasn't followed ANY policy format and it would just be repetitive. I understand that it is his first debate and I'm truly sorry that he doesn't know "policy" but it's just the way it is.
NorthBabylonBulldog

Pro

Due to circumstances beyond my control, I have to forfeit this debate. But I would like to re-engage with you on the same issue at a later point. Thank you for your time.
Debate Round No. 2
Johnicle

Con

I apologize if I seemed too extreme in my last speech. Policy debate is the most complicated form of debate. Perhaps we could debate something in more general form sometime? Good luck in all future debates!
NorthBabylonBulldog

Pro

NorthBabylonBulldog forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Johnicle

Con

Nothing really to say here. It is truly unfortunate that this has turned into the way it has...

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On a side note, I just got back from the movie "The Dark Knight" and it was AMAZING! Heath Ledger's acting (in particular) was outstanding. He played the perfect Joker and it is TRULY unfortunate that talent such as he had was wasted in an unfortunate incident. His final movie, is one for the ages however and he will always be remembered as a great actor.
NorthBabylonBulldog

Pro

NorthBabylonBulldog forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Logical-Master 6 years ago
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And in case that post gets reported, it wasn't spam. CON brought it up in Round 4.
Posted by Logical-Master 6 years ago
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I'd say that the Dark Knight is a far better film than even the Godfather (don't hit me).
Posted by Pluto2493 6 years ago
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This is policy debate in LD/PuFo form.
Posted by Johnicle 6 years ago
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http://www.facebook.com...

It's also on the home page of debate.org (System Updates) 2nd one down...
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 6 years ago
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Can you hand us the link?
Posted by Johnicle 6 years ago
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