The Instigator
Hades
Con (against)
Losing
7 Points
The Contender
I-am-a-panda
Pro (for)
Winning
14 Points

Resolved: certified teachers must have the right to carry handgun to school.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/20/2009 Category: Education
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Hades

Con

I stand in negation of this act, taking in mind that the safety and well being of students will be unbalanced. Rather than a protective figure the teachers will become an overpower and feared figure to students. Not to say that as many cases before unexpected teachers might use the weapon to intimidate, and impose power over a student. My second argument is the economic aspect of this act. Allowing school teachers to carry guns, will lead tot he School Board having to pay for the license, ammunition, and the gun. Asides form that will have to reenforce safety like where to store the gun and high explosive ammunitions.
I-am-a-panda

Pro

I would like to thank my opponent, Hades, for this debate. I wish her well in this debate. I will presume the debate is in the context of the United States.

I will start with some rebuttal.

===CON:===

>>Rather than a protective figure the teachers will become an overpower and feared figure to students.<<

===REBUTTAL:===

I fail to see how this would ultimatley have a net negative effect. Firstly, it will root out any teachers who aren't mentally stable enough to be allowed to teach. It thus shows flaws in the application system for teaching, and therefore countermeasures to prevent such instances are brought in.

Secondly, most teachers don't even raise their fists to a student, let alone point a gun at them.

===CON:===

>>Not to say that as many cases before unexpected teachers might use the weapon to intimidate, and impose power over a student.<<

===REBUTTAL:===

I would like my opponent to give proof of such acts. Until then, it has no weight upon the case.

===CON:===

>>My second argument is the economic aspect of this act. Allowing school teachers to carry guns, will lead tot he School Board having to pay for the license, ammunition, and the gun.<<

===REBUTTAL:===

The resolution doesn't imply the state would be obliged to fund the purchase of a handgun for teachers. It states they should have the right to do so. If they have the right, they would be allowed use their firearm in an event of an attack. The idea isn't that all teachers are given a gun.

===CON:===

>>Asides form that will have to reenforce safety like where to store the gun and high explosive ammunitions.<<

===REBUTTAL:===

The gun would obviously have to be kept on the person of the teacher at all times, holstered (They must carry it, as the resolution states). In terms of story "high explosive ammunitions", a teacher wouldn't be allowed more than one magazine (The one in the gun) and only standard ammunition, as special ammunition types would not be needed, therefore diminishing the risk of highly explosive ammunition.

Now, onto my points:

===PRO ARGUMENT #1: SAFETY OF STUDENTS AND THE TEACHERS:===

Over the years, there have been many school shootings. Here is a map of school shootings in the U.S. : http://www.schoolshooting.org.... The truth of the matter with these shootings is that the police are rarely unable to stop the deaths. There have been cases where the students and/or the teachers top the assailant before excessive harm is done.

Such an example is Yitzhak Dadon, at the Mercaz HaRav Massacre (http://www.jpost.com...). He, a student, utilised his handgun to stop the attacker in this scenario. Furthermore, Yitzhak is a 40 year old man, which places him closer to the roel of teacher than student.

In the Pearl High School shooting, the assistant principal used his handgun to subdue an attacker who killed 2 and injured 7. However, it took him 5 minutes to reach his car to get his gun because of the Gun Free Zone in the school (http://www.cnn.com...).

The above cases support my case that giving teachers the right to have handguns in school is more beneficial than negative.
Debate Round No. 1
Hades

Con

Hades forfeited this round.
I-am-a-panda

Pro

My opponent forfeits her round, extend arguments.
Debate Round No. 2
Hades

Con

Hades forfeited this round.
I-am-a-panda

Pro

I have refuted my opponents argument, and my argument stands untouched. I urge PRO vote.

And just to say:

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Hades 7 years ago
Hades
sorry panda.. I had to go out of town on a debate tournament and i coulnt log on while i was there.. it would have been fun to debate with you.. sorry i had to go... well there will be other times..
Posted by I-am-a-panda 7 years ago
I-am-a-panda
Not well read up on the whole Marijuana situation? And bashing Marijuana users?
Posted by Lawsonishere 7 years ago
Lawsonishere
Panda i saw in the forum you were bashing marijuana and marijuana users. Would you be willing to debate about marijuana legalization and also the validity as marijuana as a medicine?
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
Defaulted PRO.
Posted by rangersfootballclub 7 years ago
rangersfootballclub
sorry i cant spell , not much i can do about that , i got kicked out of school when i was 14 because my dad hit a teacher when he came into parents night drunk . my fault is'nt it i guess.

"stop or face a bullet". your almost sounding american with that one there.
you being irish , you are of course to young to have seen the troubles ireland had.
i belive the IRA way of thinking was that of a bullet is the best way to gain control.

having a gun in the school is insane , full stop when are you going to egt that into your head ? whenwill you realise that pupils would die and potential gunmen who run into the school will be unopposed because the teacher will not realise there is a shoting going on or will not have the bottle to take on a gunman , not because they migth be scared , but because in a hostage sisutation the only people who can deal with it without the loss of liffes the majority of times are the police or bruce willis in his die hard movies..

to prevent a pupil from attacking a teacher give them stun guns , A LOT less lethal than guns , if they are however still lthal give them pepper spray ? tell me whats wrong with my ideas ?
Posted by I-am-a-panda 7 years ago
I-am-a-panda
7 points to CON? Crazy ******
Posted by I-am-a-panda 7 years ago
I-am-a-panda
Do not rank me upon the fool multitudes of teenagers, and certainly do not patronise me, as you appear to be a 28 year old who can't spell. There would be obvious legislation to tell a teacher when and when it isn't an appropriate time to react with the use of a firearm. The main idea of allowing a teacher to carry a gun is to prevent a high school shooting. It could be used I an intimidating manner to stop a student attacking them, but certainly not to stop a playground scuffle. Of course, some teachers aren't stronger than certain students, so when students get violent, they need a clear restraint and barrier. A gun acts as such. If a student has made a gesture to attack a teacher, and the teacher points his/her gun at him/her, then it would be foolish for him to keep on moving forward. It would be clear he should stop or face a bullet.
Posted by rangersfootballclub 7 years ago
rangersfootballclub
I-Am-a-panda i had a bit of respect for you until you psoted that comment , unless it was suppose to be funny , it was easily the most stupid comment i have ever read and proves thatyou know the case is lost.

think about it , jsut take one minute to think about it for once .

if a student has a knife , the teacher has pepper spray r a stun gun , the teacher wins one the grounds that the pupil must come within one foot of them to do any damage at all , the teacher can shoot a tazer gun for a long distance or spray the pepper spray for a suggnificant distance as well.

if the student has an ak-47 ... surley he or she will not run upto the teacher and give them any kind of chance to react ... they will wait till the teachers back is turned and blow their head off. a gun is'nt going to stop that ...

now also i am not arguing about this being on the streets , i am talking about a highschool classroom.

if you are going to answer this comment , i suggest you think a little bit harder isntead of posting another typical 14 year old response.
Posted by I-am-a-panda 7 years ago
I-am-a-panda
The point is, that under attack, you don't know if you're enemy has a knife, a tazer, an Ak-47, etc., so you can be justified in proper self-defence. Only people with a license have legal guns.
Posted by rangersfootballclub 7 years ago
rangersfootballclub
why not take that chance lol ?

think about it far less chance of dieing from a tazer than of a bullet , a bullet through the heart kills you pretty much all the time heart condition or not .

and like i said pepper spray works a charm , i have seen and once exprinced its effects.
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