Resolved: in the forum game mafia, it is justified to bus an unwilling mafia teammate.
First round is acceptance only. This debate is part of lannan's round-robin debate tournament.
1. Mafia: a forum game in which an uninformed majority is pitted against an informed minority. The majority must weed out and eliminate the minority from the game, while the minority must attempt to gain equal numbers as the minority.
2. justified (Merriam Webster Unabridged): to prove to be right or just
3. bus: A mafia tactic in which a member of the informed minority initiates and pushes for a lynch of a teammate in order to be confirmed as a member of the town.
Two quick observations/parameters
1. In this debate, philosophy can and should be used.
2. My opponent and I are most familiar with DDO Mafia, so we should argue this debate in the context of the DDO mafia community.
Observation: It would be best to restrict the resolution to
The crux of the affirmative case centers around the philosophy
First, bussing an unwilling teammate may lead one to be
Second, bussing an unwilling teammate may cause resentment
Finally, alternatives do exist. If the busser actually
Thus, overall bussing is not the best solution possible, so
OberHerr forfeited this round.
Extend my arguments. Note that if my opponent decides to post arguments later, you should automatically give me conduct points.
I would first like to apologize to my opponent, and the viewers for the forfeit, and acknowledge that I will lose conduct for it.
Now onto my argument/rebuttal.
"First, bussing an unwilling teammate may lead one to be deemed suspicious."
This is a very subjective statement. My opponent later goes on to say that since it is common, that people will expect it, and that it immediately makes one suspicious. While this may be true, sometimes, I see only a few instances when it actually occurs, and in those there was other factors playing in for why people were already suspicious of that person(example: you had accidentally killed doctor in the Inheritance game.).
"Second, bussing an unwilling teammate may cause resentment and grudges"
I think that the only time this would really apply is when 1) The Mafia loses anyways, or because the bussing. or 2) There was already some feuding between the two people.
"Finally, alternatives do exist."
They sometimes do, but in this case, I think we can assume they do not, since bussing is something of a last resort option, used to get say a Mafia Godfather to be trusted.
My main argument for this is that, if it confirms a member IMPORTANT of the Mafia, then it should be embraced, whether or not the unwilling Mafia teammate(we can call him UMT), wants to or not. Also, a few other things should be taken into account.
1)Roles. What are the roles of the busser, and the bussed? If the busser is a Godfather(A somewhat ideal role for this)and bussed is just a Goon, the trade off is generally a good one.
2)Experience. If the busser is a experienced Mafia player, and decides that it is a good idea to get the confirmation on him, but the bussed is a noob, that just dosen't want to be taken out of the game, who would you pick?
3)Overall benefit. How late is it in the game? Would the bus help he Mafia win in the long run? These facts must be taken into account.
What I am trying to say, is that all I have to prove is that it is sometimes justified to bus a teammate. Therefore, if the criteria above is met correctly, then sometimes, it is.