Resolved: one can disprove the gods of pagans without disproving the Christian God.
Debate Rounds (5)
1. I must give hard support for my arguments or they are invalid
2. My opponent must disprove my arguments completely or theirs are invalid
Round 1: acceptance
Round 2: arguments and rebuttals
Round 3: new rebuttals and arguments
Round 4: new rebuttals and arguments
Round 5: rebuttals, no new arguments
Point 1: Zeus is merely a statue figure, while there are no statues of the Christian God that people bow down to. They simply focus on Him when singing worship songs. A god cannot come out of a statue, do anything from it, or have it as part of his body. The Christian God, however, is purely immaterial and therefore has no face to sculpt in anything. That is why there are no statues of the Christian God.
Point 2: If Zeus existed, his messenger Hermes would have told him that I instigated this debate and am trying to disprove him without disproving my own God by now, and therefore would have already killed me with a thunder bolt. Therefore, since I have debunked all proof of Zeus, my argument stands.
Point 3: How does disproving Zeus disprove the rest of the Greek gods? In Greek mythology, Zeus was also the king of the Greek gods. Because they would need a king to give them orders or they would not carry out any actions. But since their king obviously does not exist, they do not exist. Since Zeus never existed, his father Kronos never existed, and neither did his mother Rhea. Many of the Greek gods were related to Zeus. If neither Kronos nor Rhea ever existed, this disproves most of the Greek gods.
Point 4: This by no means disproves the Christian God, even if it disproves Zeus because:
1. The two deities are separate. In Greek mythology, Zeus never gave the people fire because he was scared that people would worship fire instead of him . God, however, in the Bible, gave people quail and manna , despite the possibility of them disobeying Him or turning away from Him . That is one key difference: the Christian God is less selfish. Neither of them gave punishment of any kind without first being disobeyed.
2. As for my second point, if I am disproving Zeus but not my own God, and he has not killed me yet, but Atheists are disproving the Christian God all over the world, why is He not slaughtering them? Because my God is merciful.
Conclusion: One can disprove the gods of Pagans without disproving the Christian God because God and Zeus are different, God is not a statue, but Zeus is, I would be dead by now if Zeus was real, no Greek god can exist if Zeus does not, and if my argument disproves Zeus, it still does not disprove my God.
- Exodus 16:13-15
- Exodus 16:19-20
A1: The main idea of my first argument is that if the Solar System was created by a deity, then only the Christian God could have created it.
The Atheist explanation for how the sun formed is that perhaps some sort of shockwave from a supernova triggered dust particles to combine into a spherical cloud, thus causing a chain reaction until it collapsed in on itself, and it continued to spin faster and faster until it would blow off any and all dust that came near it, and it flattened from its own speed into a dense-cord spinning disk. It's temperature is believed to have increased over time, thus causing hydrogen to become helium through fusion, setting off nuclear reactions that caused bursts to form the sun. Atheist scientists also believe that the planets formed through a process called accretion . This implies that the solar system formed by chance, but I would like to challenge that nonsense. It would also be difficult, if not impossible, to animate this accurately because it is hard to scientifically tell what that would really make the solar system look like. That means that it would be likely that one or more of the planets was positioned incorrectly. If any of them were too close to the sun or too far away from it, simply saying, Pluto would have drifted off already, and the rest of the solar system would be a Solar Scatter instead of a Solar System. I will fully explain this in case of any need.
Key Point: The gravity of the other planets is apparently the only thing keeping Pluto from drifting off into outer space.
If any of the other planets were too far from the sun, they would drift off, taking the other planets with them, and thus leaving the planets in front of them with no gravity to keep them their distance from the sun, which means they would be vaporized, and therefore stripping them all of their gravitational pull and causing the other planets to drift out of the sun's gravity field. If any planet were too close to the sun, it would drift toward it more quickly than it does in reality, and would take smaller planets with it due to its gravitational pull. Because they would be together, their increased gravitational pull would thus cause them to accelerate into the sun. This would leave the planets behind them with no gravitational pull to keep the from drifting off. It makes no difference if anything in this argument is wrong, because in any scenario you look at it in which one or more planets is misplaced, the Solar System becomes a Solar Scatter in six-thousand years or less. Did a coincidental event make the Solar System stay intact like that? I think not, but if you wish to continue thinking that, I am fine with that.
A2: All pagan gods were evidently finite in power and knowledge. Therefore, even if one of them was powerful enough to create a Solar System that was a replica of ours, due to their finite power and knowledge, they would very unlikely be able to place tall of the planets in their diverse sizes and primary shape so that it would never become a Solar Scatter, regardless of how much time went by. Therefore, creating a Solar System that always stayed together would require the deity who created it to be omniscient and omnipotent.
Conclusion: If a deity created the Solar System, then it was definitely the Christian God because He is infinite, and all pagan gods were finite.
The premise of your arguments seems to be that it would have taken an omnipotent god such as the christian god in order to have formulated the proper conditions for our existence, and without one, there would be very little chance we would be here right now. But there are many gods that are just as powerful as the christian god in paganism. In fact, I could make up my own omnipotent god right that would be a complete opposite of the christian god, and if I where to start believing in it it would, in a sense, become my very own pagan god. Even if you prefer a different definition of paganism, there are still many all powerful gods for me to use, such as the Ik Onkar in Sikhism, or various African deities.
But let's say that the christian god is indeed the only god powerful enough to do something like that. Then we wouldn't be here without him, right? I don't think this argument really proves anything. As far as we can tell, the universe is infinite, and strange things happen in infinity. If you went on a long, long trip around the universe, I'm sure you'd eventually find a solar system quite like ours, or if you went on long enough, maybe even an exact replica.
Mantizah forfeited this round.
Sorry for forfeiting that last round, but I guess 3's enough.
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