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Rights for All sexual orientations

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Started: 10/16/2013 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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frostez00

Pro

People are people, we were all created equal under a god or creator or Allah (does not matter what you call him/her) if we are all equal rights for p.eople should be the same
RandomTruth

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The underlying premise of your argument is wrong. It is clear that the Abrahamic God has never treated people equally:

From the Old Testament, when he was the God of the Jews, he has always treated his 'chosen' people as special and everyone else as pretty much disposable as those millions that died in The Flood would attest. Sodom & Gomorrah showed his lack of tolerance for other sexualities as do the rules that he wrote for the Jews to follow.

The Christian religion is no different with some being condemned to Hell, explicitly for homosexuality mind.

Islam is also similar, as is practically every religion, regarding homosexuality.

So I believe the OP is faulty using for a deity as a basis for equality: it is clearly not true that "we were all created equal".
Debate Round No. 1
frostez00

Pro

We are all created equal, do others not have a arms or legs or a brain to think. I am a man I have arms, legs and a brain to think. So if we have have these similarities why does it matter whom we choose to share are love with? It doesn't we are created the same through a person or people. We come into this world not knowing how to act or what to think, but we learn how to be a good human. To judge a human on what he or she chooses to love is in-human, to be classified as a homosexual is wrong. The creator (who that may be) made people and people have free will they choose whom they can love and if so be loved in return. In addition since the creator gave free will to people does that not in tell whom they may choose to love.

Yes it does, they may love and choose whom they want to share their life with.

Homosexuality is not wrong, due to the fact that they were born and made like all of other humans. We are created equal because we are all of one race, the human race. To be gay, that is not wrong I say others may say it is, but stick and stones.

Islam and Christianity frown upon this and say it is "sin" or "wrong" but it is not, being closed minded is. The fact of the matter is that too few have wanted to challenge the religious on this topic due to their morals or their churches high ground in the world. either way gay is the new way for some. We as humans must learn to deal with it or be stuck in a time period where the idiocy still rules.
RandomTruth

Con

Well, not all people have arms or legs or even brains; and certainly not everyone has these things in equal strength. We are certainly not clones!

That said, you seem to have ignored my original argument; that deities are a non-starter regarding equal rights. They have explicitly ruled against equal rights. So you cannot blame the individual Muslim or Christian for following what their God has told them.

It is only through removing God (or most deities) from the equation can you properly conclude that homosexuals have equal rights.
Debate Round No. 2
frostez00

Pro

Well most people are born with arms and legs and a brain, for most people with these ligaments or a muscle in their head, it is up to them to determine how they will use it. Unless there is a birth defect in them that handicaps the child at birth or later on in life then that I guess one would say is an act of the deity to punish his or hers parents.

These deities did not tell them anything, man wrote the Bible, Koran, and etc. How can we trust mans word if it lies constantly, we cant, we just cant. Take everything people say with a grain of salt because the underlying fact in this is that man lies and can write anything in a fancy way and say "god made me do it" same thing in regards to if man kills someone. It cannot be an act of god if he says "god made me do it" god (or deities) harming his own children. The creator (god) does not have to be removed. Just the church's of these gods need to conform a little. I am know catholic but I sure as heck think the pope is heading in a right direction in his new papacy.

God is good, to an extant that everyone is equal just close minded people who run religion like to brain wash people into thinking that it is wrong.
RandomTruth

Con

With all due respect, your argument doesn't make sense:

Firstly, the deities did write the Holy Books otherwise they're not holy.
Secondly, if a deity handicaps a person to punish their parents then why couldn't that same deity make them gay in the first place. This is at least consistent with what deities usual say about H.

I think your OP is too weak and not fact based to support your claims. If you can't understand religion in the same way as religious people then you can't use it as an argument.
Debate Round No. 3
frostez00

Pro

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RandomTruth

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