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Roblox Is Better Than Minecraft (Pro: Roblox; Con: Minecraft)

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Started: 8/3/2014 Category: Games
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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MunchyCookies

Pro

While other Roblox - Minecraft arguments tend to emit some biased demeanor, I intend for my arguments to be based on cold, hard fact. So if you can't accept a fault in the game you're rooting for, at least do it with a justifiable comeback.

Let's debate.
ThetaSig

Con

I will accept this debate, and albeit my first debate, I believe I can win this. I'll give initial argument to Pro.

Good luck to Pro.
Debate Round No. 1
MunchyCookies

Pro

Thanks for accepting this debate, and good luck to you too.

Argument #1: Quality

As in, how the game looks. I suppose I should start with Roblox.
Since Roblox is a sandbox game, built by players, it is conventional that in a single player's game, they have the ability to alter something's foundation.

http://i.imgur.com...

Below is a rather dull photo of the surface of a cobblestone block in Minecraft,
while here: http://blog.roblox.com... is the cobblestone surface in Roblox.
Now, from my perspective, looking at each photo, I can easily put together which one strives in better quality: the cobblestone of Roblox, of course. Look at it; it has various different stones placed inside it. They are not repeating themselves. Compared to Minecraft's cobble, Roblox's looks like its in high definition. To be precise, your cobble block looks undeniably blurry.

http://i.imgur.com...

Above is waterfalls of lava in a ravine, as specified in Minecraft. It glows in the dark, obviously. Various other things also emit light in the world of Minecraft.
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net...(surface).png
http://media.pcgamer.com...

This is how things "glow" in Roblox:
http://blog.roblox.com...
http://blog.roblox.com...

Assuming you didn't notice at all, you can see that you can CHANGE the color of the light - to anything you want. You want something to glow neon green? You got it; you can change it to neon green. It's simple; easy. If you don't want anything to glow the color of the color selections they give you, you can go and make YOUR OWN COLOR.

If you're going to argue back, "Well, it's a TORCH, duh! Torches aren't supposed to glow green, or blue, or purple, or -," just hold your tongue. Even if it's not part of the "Minecraft experience" and not implied for a torch or glowstone to do any of those things, it still proves that Roblox can do better towards its players; offering them more arm space to move around.

If you took time to observe any of the buildings in the photos, you would notice their bright and flashy colors; also, that the walls and bricks to build these buildings up are perfectly smooth. That's because Roblox comes with an "expand tool," something that allows you to drag bricks along, to make them shorter or higher, longer or wider.

Meanwhile, in your Minecraft world over here, you guys are jumping up and down, all around, trying to place a single block with every click. It's just a waste of time compared to the fundamentals of Roblox.

And the minigames on Roblox are a lots better, with Roblox's scripting feature, where you can write code to make your games do amazing things to capture the excitement of players, and to make your game more appealing. Building, gathering the blocks, and making the game WORK with command blocks is ridiculous in my opinion. Scripting is just faster, no doubt about it. And if you're too lazy to script, people already make scripts for you to use. You're welcome.

There's many other examples I could list, but this is the main stuff I'm proud to tell you about being a player on Roblox. And, if I made this any longer, your eyes will probably liquefy and melt out of their sockets from reading too much.

Let's debate.
ThetaSig

Con

Before I begin my rebuttals, I have to make a correction - the image of the lighting that you linked was from the lowest shading option, with the Smooth Shading option off. I have got to agree - without it, it looks blocky, but with it, it looks much better. Following are prints of shading with smooth shading on.

http://i.imgur.com...
http://i.imgur.com...

The above were screenshotted on the Minimal option of the Smooth Shading.

http://i.imgur.com...
http://i.imgur.com...

And the above were screenshotted on the Maximum option of the Smooth Shading. Clearly, it is much better than before.

I would also like to establish something - seeing how Roblox seems to accept custom textures, I will count resource packs (and mods) for Minecraft.

Onto my rebuttals.

Rebuttals

Argument #1: Quality (how the game looks)

"[Link] Below is a rather dull photo of the surface of a cobblestone block in Minecraft, [...]"

The image you linked was from an outdated version of Minecraft. On Beta 1.7, the Cobblestone texture changed [1][2], and the image you linked was for the old version of the texture. The updated version of the texture is this one:

http://img29.imageshack.us...

Besides - this point is flawed if you add resource packs to the mix. You can use resource packs higher than 16x16 (the original texture pack resolution per texture). For example, we could use Sphax PureBDCraft (linked below). It goes up to 512x512, thus making the game look way less blurry, and much higher quality.

http://bdcraft.net...

Moving on.

"This is how things 'glow' in Roblox:"

Not gonna delve into torches, because you are right - but the second print you just gave there showed a lot of houses, that the models look considerably better than on Minecraft, that part I can agree with, but the print also displayed the same models WITHOUT textures - just plain colors. Having a "bad" texture is better than having no texture, whether or not texture packs are into the mix.

"And the minigames on Roblox are a lots better, with Roblox's scripting feature, where you can write code to make your games do amazing things to capture the excitement of players, and to make your game more appealing."

You can do just the exact same thing with Spigot - it's both a client and a server, which allows the server to make plugins that interact with the player better than you would with Bukkit, the most commonly used server-hosting software. You also get more hooks, eg, pinpoint accuracy if a player's afk or not, is he messing with his inventory, is he looking around, etc. Even without Spigot - you can still make amazing plugins for minigames, just with Bukkit, and knowledge of coding.

"And if you're too lazy to script, people already make scripts for you to use. You're welcome."

Bukkit has an entire library full of plugins that people have already made and made public for you to use. A lot of them are very, very useful - like Essentials, which, essentially, adds essential commands to your server like /nick, /ban, /mute, etc. That is just an example - there are a lot more extremely useful plugins on there (See: PermissionsEx). I would give more examples, but then again - this is a quality argument.

Sources:

[1] http://minecraft.gamepedia.com... "New textures for Cobblestone and Brick blocks."
[2] http://minecraft.gamepedia.com... "The cobblestone texture was changed to [Image] which is lighter and a little smoother."

Onto you, pro.
Debate Round No. 2
MunchyCookies

Pro

Thanks for the reply, Con. You make a lot of good points, which is good news for me, you aren't biased like others. Appreciate that.

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"'You can use resource packs higher than 16x16 (the original texture pack resolution per texture). For example, we could use Sphax PureBDCraft (linked below). It goes up to 512x512, thus making the game look way less blurry, and much higher quality.'"

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http://i.imgur.com...
http://i.imgur.com...
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com...

After reading your quote, I realized you made a good point, and checked out some resource packs. I specially looked at the cobble, including the ones I linked above. All of them are blurry, still. I also checked out the Sphax PureBDCraft texture pack, got this picture:
http://static.planetminecraft.com...
The cobble looks a lot better, thank you, but the cobble seems a little cartoonish in my opinion, and nonetheless, still doesn't compare to this in my mind: http://blog.roblox.com...

Roblox's cobblestone has the appearance of looking 3D, even when it is really a flat surface, and looks a lot better, even if it is the default setting. You're kind of punching air in this aspect of the argument, and if you would have linked more sources to high-def looking cobblestone resource packs, it would've had a bigger impact.

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'"You can do just the exact same thing with Spigot - it's both a client and a server, which allows the server to make plugins that interact with the player better than you would with Bukkit, the most commonly used server-hosting software. You also get more hooks, eg, pinpoint accuracy if a player's afk or not, is he messing with his inventory, is he looking around, etc. Even without Spigot - you can still make amazing plugins for minigames, just with Bukkit, and knowledge of coding."'

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What I was implying with the "Roblox offers them more arm space" comment was that Roblox gave you all the tools you need to build a good, efficient game. Your argument above makes it look like the creators of Minecraft locked you in a box with a few tools, having you to craft your own stuff to fully enjoy the game.

I'm not sure if that makes you a "stronger community" or whatever, but to me it just looks like you guys must really love Minecraft to build all that plugin stuff for it.
Moreover, Roblox has a plugins feature, and players make them - they help you with your game. So you already have the tools to make the game, then a few cool plugins to aid you. So we technically have plugins for your plugin.

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'"Bukkit has an entire library full of plugins that people have already made and made public for you to use. A lot of them are very, very useful - like Essentials, which, essentially, adds essential commands to your server like /nick, /ban, /mute, etc."'

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We have something exactly like that that was made in 2008, before Minecraft was even released. Link is here: http://www.roblox.com...

We have multiple other updated "admin commands" like this, with various commands, but I don't feel I need to punctuate this argument even further.

I'm going to assume that these "plugins" are like normal scripts on Roblox, and move on.

Argument #2: Community

Minecraft players complain that Roblox is not free, yet the option to pay for a membership is completely optional, while to gain access to Minecraft, players must pay around thirty dollars. This comes across as very hypocritical, and out of pure spite. It just weakens the argument.

I trust you won't do it, though (right?).

Minecraft has a larger fanbase, to state the obvious. So, of course, when an argument like Roblox vs. Minecraft unfolds, there is going to be an outnumbered "army." That's most likely the reason that any post pertaining to defend Roblox, that wields any logic at all, is immediately debunked by Minecraft players in a most presupposition - based way.

So which community has the worst players, Minecraft or Roblox? It's hard to say. Logically, any community is going to have some bad apples in it, whether you want them there or not. But Minecraft shows a broad example nonetheless.

http://youtu.be...

Watch this video. This dude, whoever he is, is "trolling" this girl who obviously has social anxiety, poor girl. The "trolling" comes out as harrasment, and the guy makes her so nervous, harassing her, neglecting the fact that he is unsettling her, and then posts the video on YouTube for likes and subscribers.

And as of the time of this post, 10,907 have loved watching this girl get ridiculed. Luckily, some people in the comments have a heart.

I even felt bad posting the link to the video, it's just bringing him more attention.

But Roblox has its bad apples, too, I'm not going to be biased like most of the younger Minecraft community. We have people that will troll you, just not in such a way like on Minecraft. Most of the time, it is harmless things, such as going to a pizza place and asking for a taco or something, whatever. If anyone griefs your server, you can go into the logs and revert back to an old version of your game, so its good as new.

That doesn't mean the community on Roblox isn't nearly as bad as Minecraft's.

On an unrelated note to the argument, Roblox is like a breath of fresh air to me, honestly. Minecraft has just become clich" in my mind. On YouTube, playing Minecraft and uploading videos of them have become a horrendous clich" to me and many others. Nearly every popular commentator on YouTube has become famous for Minecraft videos - luckily there's some diamonds - in - the - rough channels that don't follow this dishonorable trend (this is in my eyes).
ThetaSig

Con

No problem, it's the least I could do.

"and if you would have linked more sources to high-def looking cobblestone resource packs, it would've had a bigger impact."

http://www.9minecraft.net...
http://www.9minecraft.net...
http://www.9minecraft.net...
http://www.9minecraft.net...

All the textures linked are 128x and above. There are texture packs that can go higher than 512x, although it lags the game badly, depending on your pc's specs.

"Your argument above makes it look like the creators of Minecraft locked you in a box with a few tools, having you to craft your own stuff to fully enjoy the game."

You can still fully enjoy the game, fully without mods. It's just that mods add to the replayability of the game, and to the quality if you're so inclined as to download a shader mod. The game is intended to be modded, as the team is planning on making a Mod API.

Now, on the argument - I would like to affirm my stance. I do not agree with the players that complain that Roblox is not free, just because there is an option to play for membership, and I especially don't agree with the people who do trolling like Videogames - the guy who you linked - did. I do agree with trolling in another way, like ZexyZek - he has his own server, and spooks the players, and destroys their homes and all - but it is alright, because all the items are given back, and their homes are rolled back. They're also given some diamonds for being a good sport through all that happened.

Rebuttals

Argument #2: Community

"Minecraft players complain that Roblox is not free, yet the option to pay for a members is completely optional, while to gain access to Minecraft, players must pay around thirty dollars."

While yes, I do agree with you there, for Minecraft, you have to pay $30~ to enjoy EVERY server, while there are some "maps" in Roblox that require payment to be played. Sure, there may be servers in Minecraft that allow you to donate money to earn stuff, they don't require you to pay to play. You can still enjoy them, even without paying.

"[Video] Watch this video. This dude, whoever he is, is "trolling" this girl who obviously has social anxiety, poor girl. The "trolling" comes out as harassment, and the guy makes her so nervous, harassing her, neglecting the fact that he is unsettling her, and then posts the video on YouTube for likes and subscribers."


As I already clarified, I do not agree with this guy's actions, however - famous youtubers do this sort of trolling in other games aswell.

https://www.youtube.com...

Linked, is a girl who is unable to play CoD BO2, because the one recording keeps using flashbangs. If he runs out of flashbangs, he kills himself, so he respawns with more, thus rendering her unable to play and enjoy the game.

https://www.youtube.com...

"We're trying to find ODers [??] and get them on skype, and then like basically troll them and embarrass them right infarct of the camera so we like, upload it on you tube."

Sure, some Minecraft players do this, but so do some Roblox players. If the game's big, there will be more trolls in the game, too. There's no "big" Roblox trolling videos because the general public is biased towards Minecraft, so they don't watch the videos.

Now - moving on.

"We have people that will troll you, just not in such a way like on Minecraft."

As mentioned and linked above, some people in Roblox do the same thing. They embarrass people infront of the "camera", so they can post it on Youtube.

"If anyone griefs your server, you can go into the logs and revert back to an old version of your game, so its good as new."

There are some plugins that allow you to protect your server, so that if it's griefed, you can roll it back, aswell. CoreProtect does this well, but, without it, you really have to backup the server's maps manually.

Again - onto pro.
Debate Round No. 3
MunchyCookies

Pro

Thank you, Con. Now, to get to the debate.

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"'http://www.9minecraft.net......
http://www.9minecraft.net......
http://www.9minecraft.net......
http://www.9minecraft.net......

All the textures linked are 128x and above. There are texture packs that can go higher than 512x, although it lags the game badly, depending on your pc's specs.'"

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It looks a lot better and high-def, but you seem to be missing the point: Roblox's cobble just looks a whole lot better, in higher quality aspect and the actual look of it.

I mean, please;

http://i.imgur.com... compared to http://blog.roblox.com... ?

I think we all know which one is better. I've said it twice, I'll say it a third time: Roblox just looks better. I thought I'd already clarified that Roblox's cobble looks more high-def and realistic then Minecraft's in my second argument. From my point of view, it seems you are fighting in an already lost war right now.

Also, in mostly all of the resource packs pictures, a "shader" mod was installed, making shadows across the map. On Roblox, you don't need to "install" or hassle with files to get Roblox looking good. In settings, you have three options for shadows; no shadows at all, only character shadows, or shadows from everything. It's already all set up.

You also have many other settings; here's a video so you can see them.

https://www.youtube.com...

We also have a graphics slider in every single game, so you can change the quality of the game. It goes from 1 - 10, 1 being the fastest and 10 being the most good looking. Plus, it doesn't literally give a lower spec computer a heart attack like shaders would in Minecraft.

Here's a pretty cool picture of Roblox I took, AND the graphics slider is down to 1 :
https://pbs.twimg.com...

Looks good even without nothing be installed!

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"'...mods add to the replayability of the game...'"

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Earlier I specified, that the Minecraft team seems to lean back on the mod creators, not really inclining to give newcomers the full experience. The Roblox team, however, seems to want to give you on the best experience soon after joining the game, as they even recommend you games made by players and upload tutorials; they have a forum section with a Help subforum if you have any problems.

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"'The game is intended to be modded, as the team is planning on making a Mod API.'"

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I never said modding the game was wrong, or it wasn't meant to be modded. Thanks for telling me anyways?

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"'I do agree with trolling in another way, like ZexyZek - he has his own server, and spooks the players, and destroys their homes and all - but it is alright, because all the items are given back, and their homes are rolled back.'"

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Then what's the point of the troll? He lets people come in his server, and coming in you fully EXPECT to be trolled. It kind of takes away from the meaning of the word, and seems like an "easier" way to harvest likes nonetheless.
Although I still do not agree with Videogames.
Also, THAT WAS NOT EVEN TROLLING IN THE VIDEO I LINKED. That was pure, down right harassment. I don't even categorize that as a troll, my word.

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https://www.youtube.com......

"We're trying to find ODers [??] and get them on skype, and then like basically troll them and embarrass them right infarct of the camera so we like, upload it on you tube."

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First off, ODers is short for online daters. Yes, we have some online daters here - subtract that from our "good community" points if you want to - but to be fair, I've seen a few ODers on Minecraft as well, and they speak of more explicit content. Luckily here on Roblox, ODers only gather in certain games, that anyone with a brain that doesn't online date wouldn't go to. It's pretty easy to steer clear of them, and you can report them if you wish.

I do not fully agree with the guy's intentions in the video - embarrassing them in front of camera will not make them stop, and most likely make them angrier. I'm not defending him, but online dating (ESPECIALLY on a kids game) can make kids give personal info to their "boyfriend" or "girlfriend" which sets off a safety hazard.

Again, I am not fully supporting this guy - but if he did actually get anyone ODing there, then maybe it would make them think twice before doing it again. I dislike the video, though.

Don't think any of this "there is going to be more trolls in more popular games" business, because I have to agree. Anywho...

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"'There are some plugins that allow you to protect your server, so that if it's griefed, you can roll it back, aswell. CoreProtect does this well, but, without it, you really have to backup the server's maps manually.'"

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Should of told that to this kid then before his place was ruined by some of your "'harmless'" trollers.
http://imgur.com...
Read the article here: http://www.sheknows.com...

You ignored most of my arguments, so I'm just going to assume you agreed with them or had nothing to argue back on.

Right back at cha, Con.
ThetaSig

Con

ThetaSig forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
MunchyCookies

Pro

Looks like my opponent has forfeited this round. No argument to return.
ThetaSig

Con

Agh, sorry, something had come up, so I was unable to continue the debate. Since this is the last round (and argument), I won't make an argument, because you're unable to make your rebuttals, so we'll have to end on argument #2.

"It looks a lot better and high-def, but you seem to be missing the point: Roblox's cobble just looks a whole lot better, in higher quality aspect and the actual look of it"

Ah, in that case then yes, Roblox's cobble does indeed look better. My mistake.

"Also, THAT WAS NOT EVEN TROLLING IN THE VIDEO I LINKED."

I agree - the reason I said trolling was because it was reffered to as such in the video title, and it was an easier way of reffering to it.

"Should of told that to this kid then before his place was ruined by some of your "'harmless'" trollers."

I never said that all of our 'trollers' are harmless, I just said that there were more harmless 'trollers' than not.

Besides, as claimed on the article, the 'trollers' used hacks, which, if you're intending to do a harmless troll, you really don't need to. If hacks are needed to troll someone, then more often than not it's a grief, or other kind of harmful 'troll'.

"You ignored most of my arguments, so I'm just going to assume you agreed with them or had nothing to argue back on."

In that case, you'd be correct, I ignored arguments because I agreed or had nothing to argue back on.

Again, not going to start an argument, because there are no more rounds, so you wouldn't be able to make your rebuttals.

Vote fairly of course, and if you (Pro) feel so inclined to, we can continue this debate.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by MunchyCookies 3 years ago
MunchyCookies
I am considering continuing this, but I'm working on other projects right now. I'll decide later.
Posted by MunchyCookies 3 years ago
MunchyCookies
Good debate.
Posted by ThetaSig 3 years ago
ThetaSig
Oh, damn - spell check made some edits, even though I told it to just ignore all. After writing up the arguments, I run spellcheck real quick, and check whatever it detects, to see if it's a real typo. If it's not, I just press ignore all, but for some reason - it edited the ones that I told it to ignore, so my bad on that one.
Posted by MunchyCookies 3 years ago
MunchyCookies
No worries. I checked it out.
Posted by ThetaSig 3 years ago
ThetaSig
Agh - I thought I had linked the Bukkit plugin library. Turns out, I didn't. Whoops.
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Vote Placed by bladerunner060 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Definitely a subjective debate. It was a tough one, too. I haven't played either game much (though I did recently install minecraft--I think I played for 2 WHOLE minutes) so I'm approaching the question from a pretty blank slate. I'm not sure that Pro really proved the motion, though it was close, and Con certainly dropped some arguments. But the conduct point is clear, and in Pro's favor, so while I may be a bit on the fence about my subjective opinion of the arguments presented (and reserve the right to change my vote on arguments from its current "null"), I do think that the conduct point is clear. Conduct to Pro. As always, happy to clarify this RFD.