The Instigator
Zeldafan69
Pro (for)
Losing
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The Contender
brittwaller
Con (against)
Winning
78 Points

Rock 'n' roll, is better than rap music.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/27/2008 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Zeldafan69

Pro

First, let me begin by saying that both numerical proof would be accepted, and theoretical proof, would be accepted.

Now, on to my opening statement. Though I do believe rap is a form of art, I wouldn't define it as music. Music is defined as ---

1 a: the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity b: vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony

2 a: an agreeable sound : euphony b: musical quality

3: a musical accompaniment 4: the score of a musical composition set down on paper5: a distinctive type or category of music

http://www.m-w.com...

I shall refer to definition 1 as the definition applying to this argument. You may say "Wait a second, rap has distinctive beats and tones, and continuity" Alas, it doesn't. Though most rapists DO include a steady beat for the background, the MAIN instrument in the arrangement is their voice. Clearly, rappers do not sing. They are merely talking in rhythm. So, I would define rap, as poetry.

I shall await a rebuttal from whoever chooses to accept this argument.
brittwaller

Con

Salve, Zeldafan69. Thanks for posting this debate. I look forward to a good one.

I fully accept and agree to the first definition of music, as provided by you from www.m-w.com above, as being our common, explicit, and exclusive guide during the debate: "1 a: the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity b: vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony"

1)"Though I do believe rap is a form of art, I wouldn't define it as music."

-This is clearly untrue, as we are debating a resolution you titled (oddly enough) "Rock 'n' roll, is better than *rap music*." Whether this was intentional or not, you obviously think of rap as music, at least subconsciously.

2)"Though most rapists DO include a steady beat for the background, the MAIN instrument in the arrangement is their voice. Clearly, rappers do not sing. They are merely talking in rhythm. So, I would define rap, as poetry."

-According to our definition of "music," rap is clearly music. Rap clearly meets, by your own admission, the minimum requirements to be music, as it is, at the very least, "a vocal sound having rhythm."

3)"You may say 'Wait a second, rap has distinctive beats and tones, and continuity' Alas, it doesn't."

-How exactly is that? Any line of reasoning or empirical evidence, or theoretical or numerical proof, as you call it, to support this claim? For the text immediately succeeding this, which I quoted in point 2, has nothing to do with this concept. Rap does have "distinctive beats and tones, and continuity." I lay upon the reader that this is self-evident.

4)Even ignoring the first three points, which invalidated everything you argued in Round 1, we are debating a resolution to which the answer can only be an individual subjective judgement. Better to *whom*? You or I or Ted may all prefer rock to rap, but liking one genre of music more than another does not equate to it being "better" than another genre. The same would be true of the converse, as well as any other similar comparison: "Rap is better than country," "Jazz is better than folk," etc.

You being the PRO and the instigator I would say the burden of proof is clearly on you, and you have a ways to go.

Back to you
Britt
Debate Round No. 1
Zeldafan69

Pro

Zeldafan69 forfeited this round.
brittwaller

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
Zeldafan69

Pro

Zeldafan69 forfeited this round.
brittwaller

Con

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Peace
Britt
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by brittwaller 8 years ago
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I for the record like music from across the spectrum, but do prefer rock to rap. I should get votes for superior argumentation or because my opponent forfeited. Still, seven votes? I'm sorry but that's just idiotic (for anyone who isn't my opponent). READ: you're an idiot. I'm so sick of all this, I hope the new version of the site will include the ability to make voting transparent. At least I'm winning here, but I have a tie on a debate I should have clearly won. I know most people who have debated for a while here know the experience of being shafted by the "popular" vote, if you will.
Posted by gahbage 8 years ago
gahbage
I still think pro's argument is bad, and that's why i voted con.
Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
Gahbage, Pro forfeited the debate, that means he automatically loses the debate. I voted con because of it. Your vote for con should be based on the same reason. Not that you like rap more than rock. And that goes for everyone else.
Posted by Zeldafan69 8 years ago
Zeldafan69
Sorry 'bout that...kinda hard to post a rebuttal when my internet bill didn't get paid on time >.<
Posted by gahbage 8 years ago
gahbage
sadolite,

pro is for Rock music, not rap. Also, I like rap more than rock, but that doesn't mean my vote was biased. pro's argument was bad, it got rebutted, and he didn't even post anymore.

Think before you type.
Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
Jack a## voters who like rap music voted pro. It's not the substance of the debate it's the title of the debate that they voted on. They are to chicken Sh#t to admit it
Posted by gahbage 8 years ago
gahbage
how did pro get any votes?
Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
Although I absolutely despise rap music!!! I must vote for brittwaller because his opponent forfeited the debate. I am not a jacka## bias voter like a few of the people on this site. I refer to people who vote for people who forfeit debates but vote for the loser anyway because of the topic only. You know who you are.......
Posted by brian_eggleston 8 years ago
brian_eggleston
"Though most rapists DO include a steady beat for the background, the MAIN instrument in the arrangement is their voice."

I don't think a rapist's main instrument is his voice…anyway, what have sexual predators got to do with rock ‘n' roll? :)
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