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Wallstreetatheist
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Rational_Thinker9119
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Ron Paul has the most societally beneficial domestic policies in the 2012 presidential race.

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Wallstreetatheist
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/2/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Wallstreetatheist

Pro

Rules: Debater must have typing experience.
Debater must have internet access.
No excuses or forfeitures.
Must structure the debate in a readable, coherent fashion.
You must choose a 2012 candidate running in the US, not Kim Jogn-Un or Robert Mugabe.
If you want to commit debate suicide, you may choose Obama at your leisure.


Rounds: (1) Acceptance + Internet High Five
(2) Main Argument
(3) Rebuttal to opponent's main argument + voting issues


I accept this debate which I have thusly created and challenge those of rhetorical wizardry to a verbal duel.

With my hand elevated and ready for forearm pronation, I slap yours in a ritualistic manner.


Good luck to whomever accepts, and may the Gods smile upon you during this debate.

Let the game begin!
Rational_Thinker9119

Con

I accept, state your case.
Debate Round No. 1
Wallstreetatheist

Pro

“I want to use all my strength, to resist the notion that I can run your lives, or run the economy, or run the world. I want to use that strength to repeal and reject that notion and stand up and defend the principles of liberty." It is because I agree with the words of Ron Paul that I strongly affirm the resolution.

Definitions from Princeton Wordnet Dictionary:

societal: relating to human society and its members
beneficial: promoting or enhancing well-being
domestic: of concern to or concerning the internal affairs of a nation
policy: a line of argument rationalizing the course of action of a government

Contention 1: Ron Paul’s economic policy would reduce the national debt, reduce unemployment, and restore prosperity for Americans.

Ron Paul correctly predicted the great recession and the housing bubble, while Keynesians and establishment media and Republicans criticized him. When he was proved right our President and Congress used it as an excuse to expand government intervention and power on an unprecedented level increasing our debt tremendously.

Budget: As President, Ron Paul would cut federal spending by $1 trillion the first year, veto any unbalanced budget, and refuse to raise the debt ceiling to curtail reckless spending and government waste.

Intelligent policy: He’d fight to fully audit (and then end) the Federal Reserve System, which has enabled the over 95% reduction of what our dollar can buy and continues to create money out of thin air to finance future debt; he’d legalize sound money so the government gets serious about the dollar’s value. He’d end the corporate stranglehold on the White House (he’s getting the Occupy vote), drive down gas prices by allowing offshore drilling, abolish highway motor fuel taxes, increase the mileage reimbursement rates, and offer tax credits to individuals and businesses for the use and production of natural gas vehicles. He’d eliminating the income, capital gains, and death taxes to ensure you keep more of your hard-earned money and are able to pass on your legacy to your family without government interference, he’d oppose all unfunded mandates and unnecessary regulations on small businesses and entrepreneurs. Finally, he‘d eliminate the minimum wage which is the greatest source of unemployment in this country in history.

This economic policy would allow genuine economic growth, abolish socialist policies, and create real jobs.

Contention 2: Ron Paul’s energy policy would allow America to become energy independent.

He understands that the free market – not government – is the solution to America’s energy needs. Unfortunately, decades of misguided federal action have helped lead to skyrocketing fuel prices, making it even more difficult for hardworking families to make ends meet. As President, Ron Paul will lead the fight to:
Remove restrictions on drilling, so companies can tap into the vast amount of oil we have here at home.
Repeal the federal tax on gasoline. Eliminating the federal gas tax would result in an 18 cents savings per gallon for American consumers. He will lift government roadblocks to the use of coal and nuclear power and eliminate the ineffective EPA. Polluters should answer directly to property owners in court for the damages they create – not to Washington. Make tax credits available for the purchase and production of alternative fuel technologies. It’s time for a President that recognizes the free market’s power and innovative spirit by unleashing its full potential to produce affordable, environmentally sound, and reliable energy.


Contention 3: Ron Paul’s drug policy would reduce crime, government spending, and benefit society in many ways.

Because certain desirable drugs are illegal:
Organized crime syndicates and thousands of smaller gangs take control over the drugs
With increased strictness on drug trafficking and distribution, gangs are forced to become more violent
People are imprisoned for smoking and selling marijuana and other drugs, causing taxpayers billions
The government spends $19 billion a year to enforce drug laws

“The Federal war on drugs has proven costly and ineffective, while creating terrible violent crime.” -Ron Paul
His position is shared with almost every economist, statistician, and police chief, including Joseph D. McNamara, the former chief of police in Kansas city. He stated, “about $500 worth of heroin or cocaine in a source country will bring as much as $100,000 on the streets of an American city. All the cops, armies, prisons, and executions in the world cannot impede a market with that kind of profit margin.”

Ron Paul is for the decriminalization of all drugs, which would cut billions of dollars from the budget, increase government revenue from taxed drugs, and therefore decrease the national debt. His policy would result in less people doing the drug and not more, as Portugal’s drug policy has proven in every drug category.


Contention 4: Ron Paul’s health care policy would provide effective and efficient medical care.

Dr. Ron Paul spent his entire career in the medical profession working to uphold this simple principle by ensuring his patients received the best care he could give them, even if they could not afford it. He will fight to put Americans back in control of health care decisions, save us money on medical expenses, and institute reforms that will once again make America’s health care system the world standard.

He will:
Repeal ObamaCare and end its unconstitutional mandates, allow purchase of health insurance across state lines, provide tax credits and deductions for all medical expenses.
Exempt those with terminal illnesses from the employee portion of payroll taxes.
Give a payroll deduction to workers who are the primary caregivers for a family member with a terminal illness and ensure that those harmed during medical treatment receive fair compensation while reducing the burden of costly malpractice litigation.

Contention 5: Ron Paul’s tax policy would help all Americans (except the IRS and bureaucrats).

The power to tax is the power to destroy, which is why Ron Paul will never support higher taxes. Our national debt is currently over $14 trillion, with the government spending nearly $2 trillion more per year than it collects. The American people should not have to pay for Washington’s reckless and out-of-control appetite for debt. As President, Ron Paul will support a Liberty Amendment to the Constitution to abolish the income, death, and capital gains taxes. Struggling college students and those working to support their families would be greatly benefited and receive an immediate pay raise by eliminating taxes on tips. The answer to spending and debt is to return to a constitutionally limited government that protects liberty – not a welfare state.


Contention 6: Ron Paul respects individual rights.

He has advocated against the PATRIOT Act, the REAL ID Act, Domestic Surveillance, Conscription, eminent domain, Affirmative Action. He is strong supporter of the 1st and 2nd amendments. He does not pander to special interest groups, minorities, or majorities; he respects every individuals constitutional rights and will protect them unlike our last two presidents. He has advocated Americans’ constitutional right to engage in controversial things such as drugs, prostitution, and gambling.

Paul rejects the concept of “collective rights” and as such he believes that groups of individuals (be it minorities or corporations), do not have any more rights than individuals. Ron Paul concludes that it is the antithesis of freedom to claim that a group of individuals have more rights than a single individual. There is no gray area in determining whether rights have been violated; you cannot “partially violate” somebody’s liberty. He values individual rights and freedom above all else, as protected under the Constitution. That's why he supports the National Right to Work Act in Congress.

www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/
wordnet.princeton.edu/
www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/
Rational_Thinker9119

Con

Rational_Thinker9119 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Wallstreetatheist

Pro

I hope my opponent is okay.


I understand this debate resolution is like the Evolution vs. Creationism of politics, which gives my side an extreme advantage, but this is the second time abandonement/forfeiture has happened. If anyone who judges this debate would like to debate me on the resolution, I'll be glad to oblige.


Voting Issues
My opponent conceded a round. I wish we could have had a debate instead of a single case.

Ron Paul derives his positions from keen logic, honest experience, and historical proof; he goes to the constitution before he votes and writes bills; he's a strong believer in that which has made America great, and a strong opponent of that which is degrading America.

It is for the preceding reasons that I urge for a Pro ballot in today's debate.

Thank you for reading and judging.









Rational_Thinker9119

Con

Rational_Thinker9119 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by vmpire321 5 years ago
vmpire321
lol con........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ (I am following his example....)
Posted by Lord_Logic 5 years ago
Lord_Logic
lol
Posted by 16kadams 5 years ago
16kadams
santorum FTW
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