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DaveLaff29
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Ron Paul would save this country if he was president

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Started: 5/17/2009 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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DaveLaff29

Pro

Ron Paul, unlike President Obama, would save this country by returning America to a free market system. He would cut spending by bringing ALL of our troops home, getting rid of unnecessary departments such as the Department of Education, Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of Commerce. He would restrict the Federal Government to doing only what was delegated to them by the constitution; keeping the American people safe with border control and a non-interventionist foreign policy, ensuring fair markets, having a strong monetary policy backed by gold, and cutting, if not doing away with, all taxes.
InfraRedEd

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This guy is more of a lunatic than I thought.

http://web.archive.org...

"we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."

"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," Paul said.

"We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."

Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.

Well he got one out of four right.

Get him out of office.
Debate Round No. 1
DaveLaff29

Pro

The media loves to take things out of context. The comments your referring to came out of a private newsletter that I couldn't find anywhere. Without the entirety of the text or even seeing the publication with his name signed on it, I do not accept that Ron Paul is a racist.

Ron Paul denies writing these articles saying "Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Ghandi, they're the heroes [of my life]." and "People who know me, nobody is going to believe this," he said. "That's just not my language. It's not my life."

http://www.cnn.com...

Ron Paul predicted our current economic crisis in 2003.

"Despite the long-term damage to the economy inflicted by the government's interference in the housing market, the government's policy of diverting capital to other uses creates a short-term boom in housing. Like all artificially-created bubbles, the boom in housing prices cannot last forever. When housing prices fall, homeowners will experience difficulty as their equity is wiped out. Furthermore, the holders of the mortgage debt will also have a loss. These losses will be greater than they would have otherwise been had government policy not actively encouraged over-investment in housing."

http://politicalinquirer.com...
InfraRedEd

Con

Well then why doesn't Ron Paul oppose all subsidies instead of just subsidies for the poor?

$13 billion is pocket change. How about trillion?

http://www.moneyandmarkets.com...

Ron Paul is trying to stop construction of low-income housing.

The government is not subsidizing mansions. It is subsidizing housing for the homeless.

The banks caused the housing crisis.

Big Bucks has been scamming the process of home building for years, and as long as we pay them off there is no problem. For them of course. But now we are not paying them off. This they did not count on. They never had any intention of owning houses, and the important basic economic fact here is that there is nothing you can do with a house except let someone live in it. Discounting of course the Spitzer-Clinton plan to turn them all into houses of ill repute. So what else can the banks do except let us live in their stupid houses anyway? Just let it be. But they know we will not do that, and they didn't get rich by letting suckers off the hook. If Big Bucks can create a problem by evicting millions of people that can be solved by making a generous offering to the Church of Big Bucks, and we are sophisticated enough to fall for it then we have only ourselves to blame.

Ron Paul is a con.
Debate Round No. 2
DaveLaff29

Pro

With all due respect, im not really sure what your talking about. Let me spell this out for you so you can see what Ron Paul's plan is.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

The role of government is the following points:
1. Protect our freedoms
2. Guard Our Borders
3. Have a sound currency

We don't need the government to build low income housing, we don't need the government to regulate the banking industry. The whole reason were in this financial crisis, as i quoted earlier from Ron Paul, is that the government got involved by saying they feel everyone deserves to own their own home. So when the Federal Reserve loaned the banks money they had strings attached, through Barney Frank himself, saying you must use this money for loans to low-income family's.

Ron Paul is for GETTING THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF YOUR LIFE. That is what is important. The free market can solve any problem. The problem is that the government steps in every time and makes things worse.
InfraRedEd

Con

My opponent cannot write or spell and has no opinions of his own and only Ron Paul's and all of those.
Please do not reward this behavior.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
If Ron Paul can't do it, no one can.
Posted by Yakaspat 8 years ago
Yakaspat
InfraRedEd... Look what the media has done to your poor mind...
Posted by DaveLaff29 8 years ago
DaveLaff29
good one!
Posted by mongeese 8 years ago
mongeese
If Ron Paul were president, he would already violate the Constitution by being an unelected president...

No, I'm not going to make that argument, and nobody else should, either.
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