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PetroPoroshenko
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FreedomBeforeEquality
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Russia has right to Crimea

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Started: 2/24/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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PetroPoroshenko

Con

This whole trial began with gross violations of human rights and freedoms of the people of Ukraine. Russia totally ignores the fact that Ukraine is a separate nation, and they made an unprecedented aggression and a large Ukrainian people. The simple fact is that just because Russia was once the Soviet Union, Ukraine really cover, it does not give them any right to invade and only attempt at independent territory. If we follow this logic train, we want to give Germany the right to territory conquered during the Second World War, we would like to give Japan the right half of China, and we want to give Mexico the right to unite state Texas. We can not go on such a flawed concept. Russia must be taught that they can not act like spoiled child when they want, and they just can not invade a country without punishment. We are not only a great country Ukraine, but the whole world must stand for freedom of an independent state, which finds itself crushed by the heel of Russian oppressors.

The simple fact is that Ukraine is an independent state and that Russia has done, is to invade my mother country Ukraine. Invasion independent state would be considered an act of war, but the West looks of abject ignorance. Our calls for help went unanswered ,our people are dying in streets, fighting for his brothers in war unleashed by greedy and disgusting Putin. If it was not Ukraine invaded, but California, would be much different answer. The fact that must understand, that only the differences between the people of Ukraine and the United States cultural and size, both states are as independent, and therefore, should be treated with same respects.

Thank you much very, Ukraine is best country

-Petro P
FreedomBeforeEquality

Pro

A few things here ...

You speak of the west not coming to aid and help liberate? where was Ukraine when we were looking for allies to liberate other oppressed nations like the ones in the middle east? They were backing euro and Russian opinions about us being a tyrannical police state that can't keep to themselves.

Then events like this happen and, after being bashed for operating outside our own nation too much, our people change their minds on how they view freedom and whether or not we should even aid countries like you. It was your criticisms and those of other nations that keep us from intervening. Everyone's scared to do anything but sanction over here now, and you're partially to blame.
Debate Round No. 1
PetroPoroshenko

Con

Well Peter

Well, sir, I must say that your view is unfounded. Year 1982 no more "Mr. Reagan", and I have to say, why would we like to help you in Middle East when all you're country doing is fought that war to secure oil control. Your president was an absolute farce and you dragged your feet behind you like lame dog. You say that we are backing the Russian "options", but we have a choice? Our "President" to the revolution was, but only Russian puppet of the vile oppressors.

Second, a leader who can not take initiative no leader at all. You can not blame the people for your problems when there is still time to help. You say that the reason why we do not get help because we criticize you, but you will be able to help these countries as Iraq and Iran, which literally call you nation Satan. Therefore, your argument does not stand

Your hypocrisy is absolutely deafening

Thank you much very, Ukraine is best country

Petro P
FreedomBeforeEquality

Pro

My point is you say we should stand solely on the fact that you think you deserve to be free, yet you wont lift finger to help anyone else in your situation. In all your time as an independent nation you werent out defending independence as a value outside of your boarders, and now that yours is threatened and the enemy is on your doorstep youre asking for aid. Scratch that, not even ASKING, trying to GUILT the west into helping you like we owe you something.

I suppose too that all f your citizens that want to go back to being unified with Russia were all planted there too right? Half the population has just been secret sleeper cell families put there by Russia so they could take you guys over from the inside? Your people don't want to be free from Russia. They want to join them. The few of you holding out are the only ones whining about it. Ukraine existing as a country was always living on borrowed time. Russia only ever gave you up to appease western ideals in the first place. They didnt want to look like the oppressive nation that wouldnt let territories try it on their own.

You guys remind me a lot of Scotland-England right now ... with slightly more infighting. England's gonna let Scotland go, and they welcome it because Scotland is mostly poor and is more of a burden on their governments programs than it helps. They wanna try freedom out ... they live in poverty and are considered a 3rd world state not long after because their economy crumbles when they're alone. Then they come crawling back.

If anyone reading this would take a drive through Ukraine theyd find that it would be indistinguishable from a third world country by now. Eastern Europe has always had a bad image because of broken bankrupt territories like yours. People fear even going there on vacation as a whole.

But you know ... its good to see you have the time to spend messing around on the internet instead of picking up a gun and helping defend your nation against invaders. Youre really making a case for yourself that you do not in anyway "deserve" to be free, you wont even fight for it. If your best effort is to try and coax other nations into fighting your civil wars for you ... then i stand by my first argument and say youre barking up the wrong tree. Our people have been strung up enough trying to do that very thing for other oppressed persons and we get the label of "Satan Nation" for it. You must be awfully desperate to be trying to make a deal with the "Devil" like us.
Debate Round No. 2
PetroPoroshenko

Con

PetroPoroshenko forfeited this round.
FreedomBeforeEquality

Pro

Maybe he took my advice and took up arms? I stand by my argument that it is pretentious to think that your country and its people deserve freedom when in truth they are not willing to pay for it. I think the cost of it is something on the lines of what americans have had to endure from the opinions of other countries and even from some of its own citizens.

anyway ... in summary ...

"Crimea" river. )-;
Debate Round No. 3
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