Russia is a larger security threat to the U.S and allies than China
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While both China and Russia have made aggressive moves against their neighbors Russia has shown a willingness to act against neighbors with military power; I cite Ukraine and Georgia. This however does not pose a risk to the U.S or allies directly as Russia has yet to move against a NATO or EU member. China however has made smaller land and territorial grabs at direct U.S allies such as Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan. Those signaling that China has no fear of angering the U.S in the Pacific.
Further, China has technological abilities that have called into question the U.S' ability to defend against a cyber attack. This fact only makes China a potentially deadly adversary. Their ability to successfully wage a cyber war, potentially could shut down power grids, water purification sites, or defense capabilities in the face of impending natural disaster, or invasion. In today's world of ever expanding inter-connectivity China's ability to disrupt and dismantle the U.S' cyber infrastructure is a threat exceeding that of the nuclear ICBMs of the cold war. Imagine for a moment a Category 5 hurricane is heading directly for the gulf coast, the Department of Homeland Security has dispatched FEMA and the national guard prematurely to prepare for the disaster, as the hurricane makes landfall a Chinese hacker shuts down all communication, electricity and opens any electronically controlled levees . Now with millions of people in danger and no way to coordinate the U.S defense infrastructure collapses. Thousands die and billions of dollars in property damage causes an economic crisis.
I could further go into how economically dependent the U.S is on China but that point is easily argued against as China is just as dependent on the U.S. This symbiotic relationship is what keeps China and the U.S from coming into direct conflict; but how long can that relationship last? What issue can spark enough aggression to hurl the two largest economies into war? With such a mysterious and unpredictable leadership in China how can the U.S rely on such a delicate balance for national security? Next time the weather man says a major blizzard is coming to New England, or a hurricane in the gulf should I worry that my government will be shutdown by a single Chinese hacker a half world away?
Russia is scary, but China, China is the REAL threat.
On the other hand, China is in no position to wage a war against America. In fact, if you study their culture more closely, it is slowly but surely becoming a pro-American people. Not only that, China is in a lofty and comfortable position on the global scale. Many government elements like their current position of making millions of dollars. They do not want to invest in a costly war that may not give back any returns. A war with America would anger many people in China, who depend on their commercial sales in America to get their daily bread and a war against their largest consumer would hurt their sales heavily. This would cause a costly civil war, something the Chinese government would like to avoid. China gearing up for war by upgrading its arsenal doesn't mean it is preparing war against America either. Like America, China has a number of its own threats to deal with and would like stay one step ahead of the threats by doing the same thing America is doing. Also, China has no firm military alliance with any country after it dissolved its relationship with North Korea in 2014. China is on its own, meaning they have no military alliances, which also goes to explains why they are improving their arsenal.
China has no military alliances as said before. Therefore, it would try to seek an alliance with the United States through its diplomatic channels created by the commercial industries. If China attack the United States, the U.S. would not only be alienated and would refuse any alliance, even post-war, but would also bring upon the fury of its allies. Despite having a powerful army, does China really want to take on about fifty or so raging countries and the cold stare of the U.N. ? Apparently, Russia has technically achieved this level of international hate, so it would make sense that Russia is the one who poses a threat to national security.
China also wants to avoid economic and militaristic sanctions against it. Attack America, you attack every Western country. A war like this would end in a bloody and horrific end, something the Chinese government those NOT have the guts for. Unfortunately, Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un apparently are willing to do anything against their common foe - America. As it is evident on how they are methodically murdering innocent people, they will not hesitate, even if it means causing a devastating humanitarian disaster.
If there are any issues between the United States of America and the People's Republic of China, it will get resolved quickly. While the American people would like to stay on friendly terms with China, the Chinese people would like to see that their sales are not affected and continue to make money. Also, as said before China is a loner in the world now. It would like to seek a firm alliance with the United States. Attacking the United States will not only completely alienate the American people, but many Westerners too, worsening China's position in the world.
On the other hand, any issue between the United States of America and the Russian Federation, it will boil into a war. Putin will not be cooperative and use the issue as an excuse for the war.
Russia, along with its allies pose a serious threat to American national security. China being the threat is merely when a conspiracy theorist is overthinking this issue.
I am not denying that Russia is a threat, I am simply saying that China is a far greater threat.
Like I said before in my first argument, the social culture of China is becoming more of a Western view. The people of China are interested in making money and achieving its commercial goals. They no longer care for national patriotism or any sense of allegiance to their leaders. The Chinese are willing to build an economic empire and have no guts to build a territorial empire. Due to the lack of interest in military conquest, China is a loner in the world. It has no allies.
China does have some advanced weapons programs, but they are progressing along very slowly. For example, China does have the ability to track U.S. Navy ships around the world. Meanwhile, the United States has a strong, 21st century arsenal and would easily scare the daylights out of any Chinese grunt(i.e. Norad knows where every plane and ship is located in the world). This fact also proves why the Chinese are no threat to America.
Meanwhile, in case you weren't keeping up with the news, the Ukraine, one of the nations that is currently being threatened by Russia, is an American ally, thus, according to your analogy, is a "friend". Not only is you "friend" is getting pickpocketed, he is also getting beaten up and thrown around. This approach is very similar to Hitler's approach before WWII. Everyone thought Hitler wasn't a threat, even though he was making territorial grabs all over the place. This is a classical way to not only battle-harden the troops but also achieve a secure position to attack your primary targets. Also, Hitler's clamp down on anything that was not Pro-Hitler is something that Putin is doing right now. The Russian government is becoming increasingly oppressive while China is loosening its grip and it is relaxing. The reason Putin is becoming more oppressive is because of a number of sanctions against. These sanctions are providing an opportunity for Putin to blame the West, rally his citizens underneath him, who now hate the West, and gain an ever-more powerful authoritarian rule. This also gives him the opportunity to block out opposing rivals without the uproar of the people, further making his base of power over Russia even strong. These events are what similarly happened in Nazi Germany under Hitler rule.
Russia has a sizable nuclear arsenal, which can be deployed anywhere in the world within minutes. China has no capabilities like this. Russia is using crises like the Ukrainian crisis to their advantage. They can, at any time threaten to cause a humanitarian disaster by detonating a bunch of nukes in the area, effectively drawing the Americans into the crisis. This is the reason why Russia is preparing itself for battle. It first shifted its army's focus into the region. Then it picked up its military activity in the skies. Now, Putin recently ordered that the Northern Fleet to be stationed in the Black Sea. Unfortunately, Washington D.C. and you, my friend have only focused on the economic situation of Russia and hopes that (according to Forbes) "the leaders in Moscow will act 'rationally'". This is the same mistake that was made before WWI and WWII. It's just a matter of time before Putin blows this bluff with nuke.
Do not be ignorant. Do not repeat history. Russia is the REAL threat. China is simply trying to cover up its scandals and bribes and boost its own ego. It poses no threat.
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Another reason why Russia is the real threat is because Putin is reverting back to USSR rule. He has revived FSB, a secret police whose job is to weed out those who oppose Putin's rule. He is also using USSR governing tactics to put the people under his sway and have full control over them. Thus, this means that whatever he does, the people will agree to his decisions. For example. if Putin wanted everybody in Russia and in the Crimean peninsula to do fifty jumping jacks at the same time, the people would comply without hesitation. If he wanted them to all pick up an AK-47 and blindly attack America, they would comply without hesitation. Therefore, this means Putin will have enough force to make any ordinary Russian to follow his will to the letter. He can easily convince the nation of Russia to attack the U.S.A. and its allies, despite the heavy cost.
Is China a threat? NO! The Chinese people are living out their lives with little or no respect for their national patriotism or pride. They are in no position to attack America.
Finally, my friend, you have realized the cold, real, truth. Russia is THE THREAT. China is simply no threat at all.
I only see victory for the pro.
Thank you for debating with me, byron2032.
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