The Instigator
OhioForHillary
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The Contender
goldspurs
Con (against)
Winning
37 Points

SSM should be Legalized

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/13/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 3,611 times Debate No: 350
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OhioForHillary

Pro

Arguments are made that GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered) people should not be aloud to raise children. First of all, this argument is null and void. Statistics have shown that children raised in GLBT families are just as well off and possibly better off then those raised in straight families. And no, children raised by GLBT parents aren't always GLBT. All respectable medical, psychological, and children based organizations have come out stating that children are all of the above (APA, AMA, ect).

Secondly arguments are made that this opens the door for marrying your livestock or even multiple partners. The people who say anything about marrying livestock have certain issues, Two people marrying. And sadly, yes marriage has been redefined before. It now includes interracial couples. I can't even fight the argument that SSM would open the door for Polygamy because there is no basis, any first year law student could tell you that, it's illogical.

Civil rights are unalienable to all people. A government cannot deny rights to any citizen. There are over a thousand benefits offered to Opposite Sex couples that are denied to Same Sex couples.
goldspurs

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I would first like to establish common ground by saying that I do not disagree that same-sex couples should be allowed to adopt children. I do not agree that it is a healthy household due to fact that the natural order has a mother and a father in a household. Obviously there are many households that are minus one of these figures even in straight couples. If you are going to quote statistics please provide a link. Same-sex parents are not really focused on the needs of children, but upon the needs of a small number of adults. No society would purposely deny a child a mother or father, yet that is what same-sex households do. The nature of the beast dictates that all same-sex households ALWAYS be without one of these important parental figures.

My argument against gay marriage focuses mostly around the benefits that marriage provides, and why only traditional families should be entitled to said benefits.

The first question I ask is why does the goverment bestow so many rights upon two people in the first place? What could the goverment possibly receive in return for promoting marriage. I argue that the goverment gives these benefits to traditional families based upon the fact that these families help to ensure the continued natural existence of the nation. This is somthing same-sex couples obvioosly cannot provide due to obvious reasons.

The goverment is not in place to provide happiness. It does ensure that you have the "pursuit of happiness", but does NOT provide. Are you saying that same-sex couple cannot be happy without the benefits of the goverment? And please esatblish why the goverment should provide those benefits to a relationship that provides no real benefit for the goverment.

Another problem that same-sex marriage has is support of the country. The majority of Americans oppose same-sex marriage and think it should be left up to the states to decide. In the 2004 vote some states voted on whether SSM should be allowed or not. Even in Oregon, where the Gay and Lesbian lobby focused its efforts, it failed miseribly. Shouldn't what the majority wants matter in something so controversial?

http://www.abcnews.go.com...

I thank you for providing this debate and I'm sure we can complete it in a civil manner. This debate can bring the worst out of people from both sides of the spectrum and I wish to avoid that.
Debate Round No. 1
OhioForHillary

Pro

OhioForHillary forfeited this round.
goldspurs

Con

Seeing as my opponent was a little tardy I will an argument this round to let him catch up. Merry Christmas!
Debate Round No. 2
OhioForHillary

Pro

OhioForHillary forfeited this round.
goldspurs

Con

Unfortunately my opponent has failed to post again. I would like to point out that I have refuted his points and provided my own reasons for banning SSM.

Yes the goverment can deny rights to citizens. You do not see the goverment providing benefits to same sex couples who are not married. I would like for someone to tell me when the goverment got into the business of endorsing love? Can same-sex couples only be happy if they receive marital benefits?

I am not a "gay-basher" or anything like that. My personal and religious opinions have been left out of the debate. I do not think homosexuals are bad people, but I don not see the proof on the PRO side for providing them with benefits.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by griffinisright 9 years ago
griffinisright
Once again good debate, goldspurs.
Posted by gack1224 9 years ago
gack1224
How is this debate tied? Are all you voters out there really that convinced by a debater who failed to debate?
Posted by OhioForHillary 9 years ago
OhioForHillary
Try APA or AASW they have accurate information that isn't skewed by religion.
Posted by easy2know 9 years ago
easy2know
OhioforHillary Goldspurs has no doubt won this debate, your statement that "Statistics have shown that children raised in GLBT families are just as well off and possibly better off then those raised in straight families." Were not supported in any statistics I could find..my vote goes to Goldspurs.
Posted by goldspurs 9 years ago
goldspurs
Wow, obviously some people go with their view on this. Big shocker there.
Posted by OhioForHillary 9 years ago
OhioForHillary
Well looks like we should restart this debate at a later date!

I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday season!
Posted by policydebategod 9 years ago
policydebategod
hilary clinton a.k.a. hell-ary
Posted by policydebategod 9 years ago
policydebategod
ohio has my vote despite his promoting of hilary.
Posted by goldspurs 9 years ago
goldspurs
ugh...just realised there is only 3 rounds...bummer
Posted by goldspurs 9 years ago
goldspurs
LMAO...Guess I should of reviewed that, eh?
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