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Gs325jcbd
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STALINGRAD was the most important battle of WORLD WAR II.

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Started: 11/18/2013 Category: Arts
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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STALIN

Pro

During round one state which battle you consider to have been more important (do not write anything else).
Gs325jcbd

Con

Operation Overload also known as D-Day was the most important battle of World War II.
Debate Round No. 1
STALIN

Pro

I thank Con for accepting this debate. The Normandy landings, also known as D-Day is usually viewed by the west as one of the most important events of WWII. However what is not understood, is that D-Day took place in 1944 when it was clear that Germany would lose. Germany was heavily outnumbered on all fronts and had no sufficient reserves of planes and armor.

During D-Day, 156,000 allied troops assaulted a 10,000 man German front. Germany had relatively few troops in France because most of those soldiers were fighting on other fronts. D-Day enabled the allies to later invade France, however besides shortening the war by perhaps a couple months, the allied invasion of France did nothing. Germany would have lose, sooner or later. [1]


The Battle of Stalingrad however can be considered as the most important battle of WWII

Reasons that Stalingrad was important:

-Saved Stalingrad (the second most important city in the USSR)
-Saved the valuable oil-fields at the Caucuses (Grozny, Baku, Maykop, etc) which provided some 95% of Soviet oil. [2]
-Saved the British Empire (stopped Germany from breaking into the middle-east which was lightly defended from where they could reach India and Egypt)
-Germany suffered a staggering 850,000 casualties [2]
-This was the largest defeat for Germany
-The entire coarse of the war in Europe changed (in other words this was the most important turning point of the war)
-The Germans were in retreat on a scale never seen before shortly following the end of the Battle of Stalingrad
-Ensured that Turkey would not join the axis

What was more important, a battle that resulted in 20,000 casualties, or a battle that resulted in 2,000,000 dead? At D-Day, Germany suffered some 6,000 casualties. At Stalingrad the axis suffered 850,000 casualties. Before Stalingrad, Germany had a chance to win. After Stalingrad the chances of a Germany victory were almost nonexistent. D-Day shortened the war by a couple months but had no effect on the outcome of WWII.


I would like to also state that Con picked a weak battle to support in this debate. The Battles of Moscow,the Battle of Britain, or even the Battle of Kursk might have been debatable in importance to Stalingrad, however D-Day is not.


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Gs325jcbd

Con

D-Day

The great battle of Stalingrad with over 2 million deaths on both the Soviet and the Nazi's army. This battle went on for about 5 months. From August 23, 1942- February 2, 1943 fierce fighting went on with the Soviets and Nazis. On the other hand the battle of Normandy had about 21,000 casualties, lasting from 6 June " 25 August 1944. No wonder Stalingrad had so many deaths! Battles or wars should not be measured by how many died or casualties happened but the significance of that battle or war. Ill admit the battle of Stalingrad was significant to world war II. D-Day was too.

The Battle of Stalingrad took place in the city of now Volgograd. This battle had rodent like scurrying from hole to hole.
The battle of Normandy took place on a beach with a hill looking over the English Channel in France. The beach was heavily fortified thanks to the Atlantic wall. The Atlantic wall was built in 1942 as a coastal fortification for an attack like D-Day. The battle of Stalingrad happened because the Nazi saw Stalingrad as an essential to their campaign in Southern Russia. Joseph Stalin was determined to defend this city as a vital Industrial and transportation center. Both Joseph Stalin And Adolf Hitler understood the symbolic importance of the only city to bear Joseph's name.

I would also like to admit that the battle of Stalingrad was an extreme humiliation for Adolf Hitler. He elevated the battles importance to the Germans. It was also the turning point of the war on the Eastern Front. D-Day on the other hand began to turn the tide against the Nazi. This Invasion stopped Hitler from sending extra Garrisons of men to the Eastern front to fight the Soviets. Now, the Nazi were fighting from the east and the west. Thanks to the D-Day invasion France was liberated from Nazi Occupation.

http://www.army.mil...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
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http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...
http://www.pbs.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 2
STALIN

Pro

Most of what Con just wrote right now was basic history facts about Stalingrad and D-Day. He fails to show how D-Day was more important than Stalingrad. in addition to this, Con most likely did not use any of those sources, he simply put them there to get the two points for sources.

Anyway, I await proper arguments from Con...
Gs325jcbd

Con

Gs325jcbd forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
STALIN

Pro

Win...Vote Pro!
Gs325jcbd

Con

Gs325jcbd forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by STALIN 3 years ago
STALIN
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Posted by Gs325jcbd 3 years ago
Gs325jcbd
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Posted by STALIN 3 years ago
STALIN
That last comment was directed toward a different person by the way.
Posted by STALIN 3 years ago
STALIN
Ok Ok, not true USANationalist
Posted by STALIN 3 years ago
STALIN
Well your not doing too well in the second round... D-Day isn't really debatable as one of the most important battles of WWII.
Posted by Gs325jcbd 3 years ago
Gs325jcbd
i never debated about it *
Posted by STALIN 3 years ago
STALIN
You never talked about D-day?
Posted by Gs325jcbd 3 years ago
Gs325jcbd
only reason i chose d-day is because i never really talked about.
Posted by STALIN 3 years ago
STALIN
PatriotPerson: How is this madness?

TheOncomingStorm: I categorized this as arts because history was not an option. And in Russia war is studied as an art.
Posted by PatriotPerson 3 years ago
PatriotPerson
Seriously, stop. It's madness.
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Subutai
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