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bettabreeder
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Safe legal choice to have an abortion

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/7/2014 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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RoeRoeRoeYourVote

Pro

Wanna debate me on this?
Debate Round No. 1
RoeRoeRoeYourVote

Pro

RoeRoeRoeYourVote forfeited this round.
bettabreeder

Con

Hope she comes back
Debate Round No. 2
RoeRoeRoeYourVote

Pro

OMG so sorry for forfeiting that last round!

Here are the main things:

-Bodily autonomy is the most important argument because it’s bulletproof, really. Bodily autonomy is an unwritten law that says no one can use your body without your consent, which is why (most) humans automatically understand why rape is wrong and why you have to be an organ donor in life for your organs to be taken after your death. Fetuses do not have bodily autonomy because they are not autonomous. You may try to derail at this point and accuse me of ableism, because many disabled people are dependent on others. However, disabled people are still autonomous, because they don’t live inside the body of another person and suck up their nutrients, and unlike fetuses, they are sentient. If abortion is illegal, dead people will officially have more rights than pregnant people (because a dead person’s organs can’t be used if they aren’t a consenting organ donor).

-Outlawing abortion will not stop abortion, but make it less safe. As high as 1.2 million people died attempting unsafe and illegal abortions between 1880 and 1973, and thousands more were injured[x]. Abortions are going to happen no matter what, so if you really care about pregnant people, you had better simmer down and let abortion be.

-Right to life does not trump everything else. If you claim it does, why haven’t you been forced to donate one of your kidneys, a few lung lobes, bone marrow, blood, liver pieces, etc., to save lives because everyone deserves to live more than each person deserves rights over their own body, right? You may support "equality" for unborn children, but the truth is they're already equal--no born person has the right to infringe on someone else's bodily autonomy.

- Fetuses cannot feel and do not have a sense of mortal danger. There are no detectable brain waves that would translate to pain or fear until 28 weeks. An abortion after 28 weeks only happens under special circumstances, and the fetus is euthanized before a 3rd-trimester abortion, meaning it feels none of the abortion. [Source: http://discovermagazine.com...;] That means that more suffering is involved in a straining forced nine-month pregnancy, painful birth, and growing up unwanted than the suffering involved in an abortion

- Abortion occurs in nature. When a nonhuman animal is pregnant at a bad time, they will electively abort. Some animals eat poisonous plants, and some even walk through spaces too small for them to crush the fetus. All so they won’t give birth to a baby they can’t feed. Elective abortion is a maternal instinct. Some anti-choicers vocally wonder why people can have abortions, saying it conflicts with maternal instincts, but, if you look at nonhuman animals and why they abort, you see that abortion is maternal instinct, to save a child from being born unwanted/very sick.


- Even if you will not let the idea go that abortion is murder, it’s justifiable homicide, self-defense. Having something inside of you that you don’t want in there is a medical urgency.When that thing is violating your bodily autonomy, it is self-defense to kill it.
bettabreeder

Con

Can we continue in the next round DDO isn't working that well for me
Debate Round No. 3
bettabreeder

Con

Thanks about that.

- Fetuses cannot feel and do not have a sense of mortal danger.

Fetus can feel pain around 20 weeks. You are pregnet for 9 months. So that fetus could of lived but early on it its killed

-Outlawing abortion will not stop abortion,

But it sure will save a lot childrens lives. Like say that fetus you aborted was the doctor that could cure cancer or ends proverty in 3rd world countries

Abortion occurs in nature

Humans will spend will tons of money to have surgery to kill the fetus and get it removed. Other animals will just crush it with a rock for FREE!
Debate Round No. 4
RoeRoeRoeYourVote

Pro

1. The cut-off point is *AT* 20 weeks, before the fetus is viable and can feel pain.

2. Abortions are still going to happen, except they won't be happening safely, which could take *TWO* lives instead of one (or kill one and injure the other). We don't make laws based on potential, by the way. The potential argument swings both ways--the fetus you aborted could be a serial rapist or create a master genocide plan. If we made laws based on potential, low-income uneducated minority folks would be thrown in jail by default because they're the demographic most likely to commit crimes. It would be absurd to answer "Should I have kids someday?" with "You must! So-and-So ended up to be a wonderful person, and their mother doubted whether to have kids!" So why does that argument become reasonable in the context of abortion?

3. Often "free" methods of abortion are unsafe. Medical and surgical abortion are 14 times safer than pregnancy. That's why I believe it should be kept legal. Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
bettabreeder

Con

bettabreeder forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by SebUK 2 years ago
SebUK
Growing up unwanted? There is something called adoption you know . Also the women trying to abort the baby makes a continua decision and a risk , if she dies its her fault
Posted by emospongebob527 2 years ago
emospongebob527
Lucia, I'll debate you on this since bettabreeder skipped out.
Posted by RoeRoeRoeYourVote 2 years ago
RoeRoeRoeYourVote
I never said natural equals good. I said that it's a necessary maternal instinct. And fewer abortions isn't necessarily a good thing if TWO lives are being taken instead of one. There is much more suffering involved in a forced pregnancy, painful birth, and growing up unwanted than in an abortion.
Posted by SebUK 2 years ago
SebUK
Also to your point about it being natural , natural doesnt = good and acceptable , rape is also natural for example
Posted by SebUK 2 years ago
SebUK
And that is good because less women will attempt abortion
Posted by RoeRoeRoeYourVote 2 years ago
RoeRoeRoeYourVote
The point is, the fetus is already equal. NO PERSON has the right to use someone else's body against their will. Pregnancy is WAY more than just waiting for nine months; it is strenuous and harsh. People abort because they don't want to be pregnant. Outlawing abortion will not stop abortion; it will stop SAFE abortion.
Posted by SebUK 2 years ago
SebUK
Outlawing abortion will not stop abortion, - There is an unofficial rule called the easier something gets the more people will do it , if abortion was legal more people would do it than if it was illegal , less people would attempt it if it was illegal and rather give away the baby after birth . The Bodily autonomy - this is the best argument pro-murder people can come up with and it is the hardest to encounter I usually make the claim that banning the form of murder called abortion is more important than legalizing it for the sake of bodily rights as life is more valuable than the right to your own body for 9 months . The baby will not do an extreme amount of damage to your body and bodily rights is just an excuse , there is not many mothers who would say 'oh I want to abort my fetus because I feel opressed and I feel I don't have rights ' the choice was made when having sex .
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro had better arguments, both forfeited a round, even spelling, and no sources by either side, oops. Sorry, noticed that pro used a source in round 5, thus, source points to pro.
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Reasons for voting decision: FF