Debate Rounds (5)
1) Round 1 is for acceptance only.
2) Rounds 2, 3, and 4 are for debating.
3) Round 5 is for closing statements.
4) ALL arguments must be backed up by facts
Thank you in advance
1: To start out, I believe that there is no good reason for same-sex marriage to be illegal that can be backed up by solid facts. Homosexuality is clearly natural, as several types of animals have been known to be homosexual. What does this tell us? That whatever was the cause of the existence of these species (evolution, God, whatever it is you believe) has somehow made it possible for them to be sexually attracted to members of the same sex as they are.
2: Contrary to what many believe (or would have others believe), same-sex marriages in the United States are slightly less likely to end in divorce than so called "traditional" marriages. In 2011, the percentage of same-sex couples who ended their marriage through divorce was roughly 1.1%. The percentage of opposite-sex marriages that ended in divorce is roughly 2%. This tells us that (at least in 2011) same-sex couples are less likely to divorce, if only slightly so. 
3: At the moment, same-sex marriage is legal in more parts of America than "traditional" marriage. Before you immediately write that off as a lie, let me explain something. The view of many today is that "traditional" marriage is marriage between one man and one woman. This, however, is not true. Traditionally, it was widely accepted, and even in some cultures and religions encouraged, for a man to have multiple wives, including relatives of his. This, as we know, is illegal in many parts of the world today. So therefore, same-sex marriage is much more acceptable than "traditional" marriage.
Rule 4) ALL arguments must be backed up by facts
My opponent's argument is that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. He fails to use any proven, hard facts in his argument. Unless of course he can prove that the Bible is accurate, and that God is real. I personally believe in God, but unless he is proven real, the Bible cannot be used as a source in a serious debate.
In addition, of the three points I made in the last round, my opponent has not even attempted to dispute a single one of them, so I will assume that he has conceded all three.
As for my opponent's argument (assuming of course that God is real, and the Bible is accurate), didn't Jesus teach us to love one another, and that all people are equal under God? As well, did Jesus not say "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?" Clearly, all people, whether gay, straight, black, white, Christian, Jewish, or Muslim are equal under God, and should be treated as such.
The bible on the other hand never changes its facts, so they are always fact at all times no matter how many years have passed, thus making it more reliable than science and history combined. And the bible is surely way more reliable than Wikipedia.org since anyone can write up false articles there. Now there is plenty of verses in the bible that prove homosexuality is wrong, and that gay marriage is something that God would never accept ever. God doesn't accept anyone who doesn't repent of their sins and homosexuality is just one of the many sins that we all have to repent from so I don't single them out. Now even if my opponent doesn't acknowledge the bible as a factual book, it doesn't mean that it is not. And there are sources that he may accept as fact that are indeed false information.
I didn't bother going against the points he used in round 1 because even if his information was somehow true, it doesn't change the fact that the bible already declared homosexuality a sin and that the bible has already proven itself to us Christians who study it diligently. The world is corrupt as it is, we don't need further Moral depravity by allowing the nation to marry gays, we are provoking The wrath of the almighty to come sooner than later if we continue to stray from the right path.
ChrisF forfeited this round.
As much as I would like to argue against my opponents points, I suppose I cannot in this round. So instead I will make my closing statements.
In this entire debate, my opponent has not even attempted to argue against any of the points I had made in the second round. These points being:
1) Homosexuality is natural, whether caused by God or by evolution.
2) Same-sex marriages are more stable than opposite-sex marriages in the United States, and are less likely to end in divorce.
3) So called "traditional" marriage, which most claim to be marriage between a man and woman, is in fact polygamy, and is illegal in the United States and many parts of the world, where as same-sex marriage is much more widely accepted, and is becoming more so every year.
My opponent has instead repeatedly claimed that same-sex marriage is wrong because the Bible says so. Since the Bible cannot be proven to be entirely accurate, it is not able to be considered factual, therefore his argument violates the rules of this debate, specifically the fourth, which states that all arguments must be backed up by facts.
Regardless of this, my opponent may or may not be aware of the fact that weddings may also take place in courthouses, as well as churches. Since the United States, along with many other countries, has no official religion, the Bible cannot be used as a basis to create laws. In fact, the First Amendment of the United States Constitution prohibits the government from endorsing any established religion. With that said, civil marriages, which would take place outside of any religion, should be legal.
I would also like to remind my opponent that the Bible is a book written by men, and men alone, and was put together by entirely different men. To imply that any Christian who doubts the truth of some parts of the Bible is not a "true" Christian is ridiculous, as neither God or Jesus wrote the Bible.
1. homosexuality is unnatural and here is at least one source why (http://en.wikipedia.org...) Even psychology at one time used to call it a mental disorder, and since a lot of gay people been protesting that, they decided to just call it "normal" but in reality it is not any more "normal" than being a pedophile or into bestiality. And since science has no means to know how demon possession works, they have to call it a mental disorder to make up for lack of understanding of what is going on.
2.my opponent says same sex marriages are more stable than traditional marriages, what he fails to mention is that homosexuals and lesbians have a smaller pool of candidates to choose from and that gays are far more likely to make their homosexual relationships last as much as possible since they know they don't have much people to choose from like strait people do. Also gay marriage is not marriage anyway since marriage can only be between man and woman but that's another debate and im not going to discuss that here.
3.my Opponent claims that traditional marriage is in fact polygamy, not only is that laughable but I don't even understand where he gets this idea from. Traditional marriage is in fact between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN, I don't support polygamy by believing in traditional marriage only. If you are referring to spouses who cheat on each other, then they are the ones who are breaking their marriage vows, and it has nothing to do with traditional marriage accepting this kind of behavior. As far as other nations go by legalizing gay marriage, this only proves to me that the world is getting more morally bankrupt than what it already was.
4.My opponent says that the USA has no official religion but he fails to mention that even in the courthouses where weddings are upheld, these same courthouses have The words "IN GOD WE TRUST" and when they make you swear an oath, they make you swear on the bible. and according to Wikipedia , most people in the USA identify themselves as Christians (http://en.wikipedia.org...) Which in terms of Majority, the USA can be considered a Christian nation. (73-80% consider themselves Christian believers)
5.My opponent claims that the bible was written by men and men alone, meaning that God has nothing to do with giving these men divine revelations according to chrisF. I argue the fact that no prophecy in the bible has ever been proven to be false and that alone shows evidence that the bible cannot possibly have been made by men alone without the intervention of God. There is no way for ancient people to know the future thousands of years ahead of them in great detail unless God revealed that information to them .(http://groups.northwestern.edu...)
I hope my readers gained a better understanding of why gay marriage is not to be implemented in our society and that will conclude my argument. thank you for your time.
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Vote Placed by Finalfan 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: I have yet to see an actual reason to ban gay marriage. The bible is never reason to oppress anyone. Especially since the people who use the bible against gays don't follow the bible unless it suits their agenda!
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