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Scandinavia is better than the U.S.A

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Started: 10/4/2015 Category: Politics
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Is anybody willing to join this debate, I will be on the side of pro, that Scandinavia, (Iceland, Norway, Sweden, and Denmark) is better than the USA.


I accept.
Debate Round No. 1


Here is my 3 reasons why I believe why Scandinavia is better than the US.

1. My first reason is the government in Scandinavia is people friendly. How are they friendly, well, they have more freedom, they have universal health care, mothers get a paid break from work if they get pregnant so they can bond with their babies, it is a good place to retire, and their is free tution their for public colleges. And not only their politics and government is not the only good thing, their nature is beautiful, their people are nice, and more, read this link.

2. My second reason is that the people their are happy, here are some links to show how the people their love their country.

As you can see, Scandinavian countries are always in the top 10, and in these, some show the US not even being in the top 10.

3. My third reason is the US is bad at a lot of things, here are some of things the US is bad at.

So in conclusion, my three reasons for why Scandinavia is better than the US is because Scandinavia treats its people good, the people have ranked Scandinavia happy, and the US is worse at a lot of things.


1. To your first point, those wonderful things you mentioned are not free. All those things you listed costs money, and where does that come from? Your tax dollars. Scandinavia has one of the most highest tax rates in the world. With the average local tax rate being 29%-35%. While America has a mere 11.81% as of 2010.

2. You mention in your second point, love for ones country. America has been consistently ranked as one of the most patriotic countries in the world, and yet Norway, Sweden, etc are no where to be found.

3. This is a copy and paste from another website but it's darn good.

10. Entertainment
The movies the world watches, the television shows they tune into, and the music they listen to are, for the most part, produced in the United States. For instance, the U.S. exports more than 25 times the number of movies and television shows than it consumes from abroad, a fact that causes Ben Wattenberg to observe quite correctly that America is "the most culturally potent nation in the world." Even the virulent America-hater Saddam Hussein reportedly spends a good portion of his time watching American-made movies such as The Godfather and Enemy of the State.

9. Immigration
During the hundred years ending in the 1920s, a majority of the world's immigrants came to one lone country: the United States. Today, the U.S. takes in more immigrants than at any point in its history. Yet, the Left portrays America as a bastion of xenophobia and bigotry. Alexander Hamilton (the first Secretary of the Treasury), John Jacob Astor (America's first multimillionaire), Alexander Graham Bell (invented the telephone), Louis B. Mayer (Hollywood pioneer), Selman Waksman (cured tuberculosis), and Ralph Baer (invented the video game) are among the immigrants to America whose lives belie the Left's premise. Just as those who complain about "oppression" in the U.S. would never entertain the idea of living anywhere else, the people around the world we allegedly oppress flock to come here. This contradiction between leftist theory and real-world practice illustrates just how delusional the central tenets of leftist thought really are.

8. Technology
Nothing disproves the Leftist mantra that "all cultures are equal" more than technology does. Americans have given the world motion pictures, the telephone, the television, the computer, the Internet, the airplane, the VCR, and a host of other machines and devices that have vastly improved the quality of life on the planet. Ironically, the terrorists who hate the U.S. give America a tacit endorsement every time they turn on a light, escape the heat through air conditioning, monitor their exploits on television or the internet, or communicate via telephone.

7. Creating Wealth
America is the sun around which the world economy revolves. The typical creator of wealth in the world is an American. Foreigners benefit from buying better products from American companies and working better jobs manufacturing such products. Take America's $9 trillion dollar economy out of the picture, and the economic well being of the rest of the world nose-dives.

6. Generosity
With great wealth comes great generosity. In 2000, Americans gave more than $200 billion in charity, dwarfing the amount donated elsewhere. Since World War II, the U.S. government has given well in excess of $500 billion (not adjusted for inflation) in foreign aid. Last year, our government distributed more than $20 billion to 130 countries. While American taxpayers have a right to gripe, what are we to make of foreign beneficiaries who return our favor by burning U.S. flags and chanting "death to America"?

5. Human Achievement
Americans have stretched the bounds of the possible. The first transatlantic flight, putting a man on the moon, breaking the speed of sound, constructing the Hoover Dam, and building the Panama Canal serve as testimony to American courage and ingenuity. It wasn't Danes or Bolivians or Iranians or Koreans who achieved these feats. It was Americans. This is significant.

4. Enlightened Power
The Soviet Empire ruled over Eastern Europe. The Ottoman Empire claimed dominion over vast stretches of the Islamic world. The Empire of the Sun sought dominion over the Orient. The American Empire rules...only Americans. America is an historical curiosity. It is the most powerful country in the world, yet it eschews imperialism. Instead, it has used its military might to liberate. Nazi Germany, North Korea, Soviet Russia, Hussein's Iraq, and Communist Vietnam are among the nefarious states we sought to prevent from increasing their totalitarian control over others. The world is a better place because America, and not some other country, is the sole superpower.

3. Medicine
Will Nigerian doctors make the blind see? Will Cambodians cure AIDS? Will Pakistanis eradicate cancer? The answer is probably not. Why? The reason is that non-Westerners have had no discernable impact on modern medicine. This year, like 45 of the last 60, an American won a share of the Nobel Prize in the field of medicine. Americans cured polio and tuberculosis, developed vaccines for hepatitis B and yellow fever, pioneered modern chemotherapy, and produced the CAT scan and MRI. What's there to hate about that?

2. Democracy
Leftists harp that American democracy is tainted because not everyone possessed the right to vote at the Founding. Denial of the vote in the 18th century, however, was universal. What made America unique was not that some people could not vote, but that anybody could. More than 215 years after the Constitutional Convention, most people on the planet still do not have a right to vote. Every Arab country, more than three-fourths of African nations, and many of the most populous nations in the Orient still deny their citizens the right to choose their own leaders. Despite the continued rejection by many foreign leaders, the ideals of the American Founding became contagious. Our example served to topple regimes far from our shores. Pro-democracy activists don't quote the founding documents of Saudi Arabia or appropriate the cultural symbols of China. They cite passages from the Declaration of Independence and hoist replicas of the Statue of Liberty.

1. Freedom
America has shined as a beacon of freedom in an unfree world for more than two centuries. To this day, for instance, most people living outside our borders reside in countries where the private practice of broadcast journalism is illegal and where the state is the dominant banker. Americans can say anything they want, worship any god they choose, and associate with any motley crew around. Our legacy is not slave chains, Wounded Knee, and the murder of James Byrd, but American GIs liberating a Nazi death camp, an immigrant's first glance of lady liberty's torch, and Ronald Reagan exhorting the Soviet's to tear down the Berlin Wall. If nothing else, America means freedom.

I'll leave it at that for now.
Debate Round No. 2


1. Yes, they have high taxes, but one, they are able to pay for them because their economy is good, and two, they get something good out of it.

2. America may be patriotic, but patriotism and happiness is not the same thing. And maybe they don;t have any studies in Scandinavia because nobody really cared to do a study their.

3. You do win on this one, America is better in entertainment

4. You win that one

5. You win that one.

6. Yes a lot of Americans are rich, but I may point out that we have the greatest wealth in equality in the world. 15% are unemployed, 40% identify as being in the lower-middle class, and 30% need welfare to survive. Unlike in Scandinavia. I would also like to add that America is the richest country on earth, but we don't feel like it because all that is going to the top 1%

7. The US government may be generous, but their people are not. Also, the government in Scandinavia is also good,for example, Norway gave Brazil a trillion dollars. And I am pretty sure if Scandinavian government had trillions of dollars, they would give a lot to charity.

8. It has don these things because one, they have more people, and two, some were influenced by the cold war to work harder to do these things, while Scandinavia was not apart of the cold war. Also, the Panama canal was because of geography, and I do not know if you know this, Scandinavia and Panama are 6,000 miles away from each other.

9. The reason the US is so big is because they were in the western world, they were able to grow fast, and over 100 years, they had a hundred years to become a super power, and they continued to grow. Unlike Scandinavia, it was limited, so it was not able to become a super power. But you are Wright on the fact that the world is better because of the US

Nigeria, Pakistan, and Columbia are not the countries in Scandinavia, Let me tell you this, Scandinavia is Iceland, Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. Do you got that, okay, lets move on.

10. These medical professionals are great, but the question is not Americans, it is all of America. That includes its citizens, its government, its geography, and its politics.

11. I may want to point out Scandinavia has democracy to. America is the only country with democracy, and though this was not in Scandinavia, Ancient Greece invented democracy.

12. Scandinavia has all of that and more. In Scandinavia, gays are not discriminated against at all, in Alabama, they have one of the most anti-immigration laws in the world which caused tons of immigrants to escape as if it were the holocaust, and their are laws that make it harder for people to vote. Though America has a lot of freedoms, Scandinavia has more. Read this
And Scandinavian countries have more economic freedom


1. What's the point of "free" health care when you're paying the same or even more than you normally would on a medical-need basis in tax?

2. I never addressed the topic of happiness. I was replying to your comment on Scandinavian patriotism.

3-5 :)

6. In the topic of money, out of the then richest people in the world, seven of them happen to be American. No Scandinavian countries are to be found.

7. America has about 1.5 million nonprofit organizations. So basically there is a charitable organization for every 300 people in America.

8-9. Scandinavia is a group of four countries, there is no excuse for America having a bigger population in the 1700s. The Cold War started in the 1940s, we had thousands of achievements and innovations before that. Can you please tell me how Scandinavia was limited of becoming a superpower?

10. American is a term to generalize people who's nationality is American. I'm not too sure what your point is on this one.

11. Actually Iceland is the only country that is closest to a democracy. Denmark, Norway and Sweden are all monarchies. I never claimed America founded democracy.

12. There is one person in every single country who has discriminated against gays at least once. Alabama HB 56 was a law that helped prevent illegal immigration. American freedom isn't for illegal immigrants, it's for the people who legally reside here. Like I said, the law makes it harder for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS to vote, and I certainly don't have a problem with that.


1. America has the strongest military in the world. The United States Armed Forces has more than two million active and reserve duty personnel. While Norway doesn't even break 70,000.

2. America is the second most popular tourist destination in the world, bringing in more than 62,300,000 foreign tourists a year. No Scandinavian countries makes the top 20 list.
Debate Round No. 3


1. Can you please give me a link to how much Scandinavians usually pay in taxes.

2. I know you were not talking about happiness. But still, they being patriotic does not mean you are happy, and how much you like living in your country is most important.

3-5. ):

6. Yeah, its called wealth inequality. As I said before, we are the richest country, but we don;t feel like it because it is all going to the top 1%. Also, as I mentioned before, the US has more people in poverty than in Scandinavia. I would also like to point out, the US has the second most people in poverty than any developed country.

7. Once again, the money is limited. But, Scandinavians give the highest percentage of their GDP Sweden and Norway give about 1.10% of their GDP to charity. And Denmark gives about 0.80%

8-9 Well 1, the US has 320 million people, and Scandinavia combined only has about 20-25 million. All their gap's combined makes less than 2 million dollars, America has a lot of resources, but in Scandinavia it is limited.

10. I am saying the people are not the only thing that make it great, its the country as a whole, that includes the government, their politics, and their natural geography.

11. That is like calling Canada a monarchy because it has a queen. All these countries have prime minister, for Iceland, it is
Sigmund Dav"" Gunnlaugsson, for Sweden, it is Stefan L"fven, the prime minister of Norway is Erna Solberg, and for Denmark, it is Lars L"kke Rasmussen, if you want to know what they do, check out this video.

12. Have you herd of the new law that got passed in Alabama. First you'll have to learn about the black belt, I don;t want to explain it all, so I'll just sum it up. It has a majority of African Americans. And it is noticeable in elections, in every election, the people with in the black belt usually vote democrat unlike the rest of Alabama. The government passed a beget cut, and that budget cut was in 28 counties, and guess what, almost all those counties are in the black belt. That budget cut said it will stop spending money on licence plates in these counties, so they can not drive. And in Alabama, you need a drivers license to vote. So if it is racist, or bi-parts, it is not right.

13. Guess what, that is because America has 300 million people, and Norway does not even have 10 million. You have to do proportion. Norway has 5 million people, right now, they have 26,000 troops in action. divide their population by the number of troops, and that is 203. And for the US, p/t= 160, so Norway would beat the US.

14. Could you please give me a link to that study.

Scandinavia is the best for mothers. Here is a study to prove it.

In this study, it shows Norway being the best place for mothers, Finland, though not technically a country in Scandinavia, but in Fenno-Scandinavia, is number 2, Iceland is 3, Denmark is 4, and Sweden is 5. That's right, the top 5 are all countries in fenno-Scandinavia. And were is America? Not in the top 10, not in the top 15. Not even in the top 25, it is number 33. This is with all the assistance the government gives them, including giving the mothers some payed time off to take care of their babies.

Life expectancy, Scandinavian countries beat the US in life expectancy, look at this link

It shows here, that Sweden, Iceland, and Norway are tied at 9, and Denmark, at 29. 29 is high, but it is better than the US, which has the average life expectancy of 79, which places it at number 34. Once again, not even in the top 25.



1. The Norwegian's pay an astronomical amount for taxes. It is at 39 percent.

2. I never said they were happy. I'm saying we are much more patriotic than any Scandinavian countries.

6. None of your countries are the richest countries the world. Qatar is. Norway is the closest at #6. Like YOU mentioned before America has one of the biggest populations in the world, so therefore we're first in a lot of things.

7.Your article mentions how America gives the most money to charity. I don't really care about percentages, there are two countries bigger than us in population. So it still matters.

8. Exactly, Scandinavia is a lot more limited than America. That is another benefit of ours.

10. Natural geography? It isn't even a competition, America has much better environmental feats. We have the Grand Canyon, Niagra Falls, Mt. McKinley, which happens to be the third largest mountain in the world.

11. Canada does not have a queen.

13. It doesn't matter if you have a smaller population, the point is it wouldn't be a competition if we went to war. Even if we went on a percentage basis, the patriotism argument comes to play. America is THE MOST patriotic country in the world. We would fight the hardest to protect our country and it's freedom.

Although the link is from 2011, Wikipedia has the same positions, but the numbers are increased.

All I have time for.
Debate Round No. 4


1. Well they may be paying a high tax, but they get a lot of assistance from the government and they are not poor from the taxes. Only 1% of Swedes are poor compare to Americas 14%, it is alsow low in Norway,, and it is also low in Denmark As for Iceland, I could not find anything about Iceland because apparently nobody cares about Iceland.

2. Do you think a country will be able to fit 320 million people with a land size of only 885,885 square kilometers. To put that in perspective, that is about the size of Pakistan.

3. But Scandinavia gave higher percentage of their gdp. Percentage matters. For example, let's say their was a country who had an army of 10, and a country who had an army of 1000, the first army lost 8 people, and the second lost 23. Who is more affected? The first army, because they lost 80% of an army, Percentage matters, not numbers. At least in this situation.

4. Just look at these pictures.

5. 2 words, Queen Elizabeth.

6. Patriotism is not important, it is if you are happy in your country, it is not important. Also, are you saying that you give up the debate on happiness, because you can not make anymore arguments.

7. I give up the debate on tourism, you win on that.

8. Can you defend the new topics I brought to your attention, about the Scandinavia being the best place for mothers, and
life expectancy.

Thank you for this debate, and remember, vote for pro.


1. They get a lot of assistance from the government BECAUSE they pay a lot of taxes. Remember, nothing in this world is truly free. According to a Forbes article, America had a lower poverty rate than Sweden. And trust me, Forbes is a lot more reliable than your link (which doesn't even work).

2. You definitely can. We could probably fit every person in America in the Hawaiian islands if we built huge apartment buildings.

3.Percentage does not matter, numbers matter. Using your example. I have 1,000,000 soldiers, I lose 2% of my men, I have still have 980,000 of my men. If you had ten men, and you lost 2% of your men you have 8 men left.

4. Just look at THESE pictures.

5. The "Queen" does not have any power, she is just a figurehead.

6. I'm happy about my country. In fact, I love my country. God Bless the USA <3 (great song by the way, you should look it up if you haven't already.)

7. :)

8. You guys do have a higher life expectancy, but those years must be so boring. It might be the best place for mothers because there is nothing going on, so nothing can hurt the baby.

Why didn't you defend the topics of our military being superior to yours? If you want you can leave it in the comment section.

Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by LoserBro2003 1 year ago
Thank you Bu
Posted by Bu 1 year ago
Oh, and I forgot to mention, good luck to my opponent, you were great.
Posted by Varrack 1 year ago
I'm not so sure about that ninjahammer. I'm definitely curious about what Con is going to say - I'll be watching this debate.
Posted by Ninjahammer 1 year ago
Varrack, looking at criminality, poverty, happiness and most other ways you could measure betterness, Scandinavia will come out on top.
Posted by Varrack 1 year ago
Let me guess, you're a progressive democratic socialist.

*looks at profile* yep. no surprise.
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